{Disarmed} Re: OA's Three Bogeymen

2010-02-17 Thread Jean-Claude Guédon
I am not so sure that I focus more on "ought" than "is". Public money is already deeply integrated into scientific and scholarly publishing in a wide variety of ways: direct subsidies, in-kind subsidies through the use of publicly-supported facilities, tax breaks, etc. The SciELO model keeps recurr

Re: OA's Three Bogeymen

2010-02-17 Thread Heather Morrison
On 17-Feb-10, at 6:19 AM, Richard Poynder wrote: However, I think Jean-Claude is more focussed on “ought” than “is”. True, he proposes an existing service (Brazil's SciELO) as a model for the future, but given the way that researchers are motivated by their institutions and their fun

Re: Is the "request copy" button good for OA?

2010-02-17 Thread Leslie Carr
On 17 Feb 2010, at 17:06, Dana Roth wrote: > Isn't it more likely that researchers would be extra 'busy' trying to sort > out what is relevant from everything else on the web? No. Are you suggesting that researchers are incapable of distinguishing research from "everything else on the web"? Wit

Re: OA's Three Bogeymen

2010-02-17 Thread Steve Hitchcock
I agree with Jean-Claude, let's make the axis of interest research-open access, and leave the business of publishing to others. Otherwise, we introduce a fourth OA bogeyman, confusion, of which there is already far more than needed. Much as I admire Richard's tenacious journalism, and an eye for

Re: Is the "request copy" button good for OA?

2010-02-17 Thread Leslie Carr
On 17 Feb 2010, at 10:56, Jan Szczepanski wrote: > Publishers are indispensible even today. Without researchers, academic journal publishers would have nothing to publish. Without publishers, researchers would still be very busy indeed doing research. They would probably also have worked out a w

Re: Is the "request copy" button good for OA?

2010-02-17 Thread Jan Szczepanski
Andrew A. Adams wrote: >> From:Jan Szczepanski >> Subject: Re: Is the "request copy" button good for OA? >> >> The problem with the green way is mainly that it is a parasitic and has >> no life of it's own. >> More like a virus. The way scientists has taken is the golden road. That >> is creat

Re: OA's Three Bogeymen

2010-02-17 Thread Richard Poynder
I agree with much of what Jean-Claude says, particularly his (implied?) suggestion that there is no obvious role for commercial publishers in an OA environment. That seems to me to be becoming more and more obvious each day that passes. However, I think Jean-Claude is more focussed on ?ought? than

Re: Is the "request copy" button good for OA?

2010-02-17 Thread Dana Roth
Isn't it more likely that researchers would be extra 'busy' trying to sort out what is relevant from everything else on the web? Dana L. Roth Millikan Library / Caltech 1-32 1200 E. California Blvd. Pasadena, CA 91125 626-395-6423 fax 626-792-7540 dzr...@library.caltech.edu http://library.caltech

Re: OA's Three Bogeymen

2010-02-17 Thread Guédon Jean-Claude
Alas, this whole discussion continues to assume that publishing must rest mainly on organizations that behave like businesses (hence the call for sustainability) and often are busineses. Why should they not be treated as services integral to the research cycle of activities (which should include