[GOAL] Re: Harnad Comments on Proposed HEFCE/REF Green Open Access Mandate

2013-03-21 Thread Tim Brody
Hi Arthur, I don't understand how a link is more useful than a copy (although obviously having both is preferable)? Let us say that either a) an author imports a record from a publisher with link or b) pastes a link into the repository. Either way, that link tells us nothing about the state of

[GOAL] Fwd: [BOAI] Who is afraid of open access ?

2013-03-21 Thread Stevan Harnad
Begin forwarded message: From: Marin Dacos marin.da...@openedition.org Subject: [BOAI] Who is afraid of open access ? Date: 21 March, 2013 4:06:20 AM EDT Dear colleagues, The French newspaper Le Monde has published a public statement, signed by sixty members of the academic community

[GOAL] Re: Harnad Comments on Proposed HEFCE/REF Green Open Access Mandate

2013-03-21 Thread Hans Pfeiffenberger
Am 21.03.13 10:35, schrieb Tim Brody: By comparison, taking a copy is little extra effort and the institution can say unambiguously that they have an open access copy. wrong: if somebody uploads a PDF the institution - may have a /*copy*/ if the identity of the file submitted or its

[GOAL] Re: Harnad Comments on Proposed HEFCE/REF Green Open Access Mandate

2013-03-21 Thread Stevan Harnad
An immediate-deposit mandate moots most of this discussion. Versions and rights need not be checked if the mandate simply says: Deposit the refereed draft immediately, and make it Closed Access. So all this discussion is about what *else* you can do, and when. Here's a list: 1. A sensible

[GOAL] Re: Harnad Comments on Proposed HEFCE/REF Green Open Access Mandate

2013-03-21 Thread Arthur Sale
Tim Let me put it simply. A true copy is as good as a link. Not better, but the same. But a true copy is difficult to ensure. The odds are significant that the copy is not true. · Let us assume that the copying process makes a copy of the file to which the link refers. · It

[GOAL] Re: Harnad Comments on Proposed HEFCE/REF Green Open Access Mandate

2013-03-21 Thread Arthur Sale
Sorry Stevan. My recent reply to Tim answers most of these points. Please remember than I am an ICT professional. The ones that are not refuted by that reply (or require emphasis) are: . All author deposits must be audited. They may be in error and may even be fraudulent. There is