Re: [GOAL] Results of OA article data collection from OASPA members

2019-07-08 Thread Christian Gutknecht
Hi Heather Yes, although we recognise that it’s a key to shift money from subscriptions to production, it’s not treated as a priority and is even ignored in large by the OA movement. > You are assuming global and permanent cancellation by academic and research > libraries to all Elsevier

Re: [GOAL] Results of OA article data collection from OASPA members

2019-07-08 Thread Heather Morrison
Thank you PMR. I think we agree that it is problematic for Elsevier (or other publishers) to retain copyright, with or without CC licenses. It appears that we agree that publishers can use CC licenses with what is in effect a copyright transfer. That is, if Elsevier uses CC-NC licenses to

Re: [GOAL] Results of OA article data collection from OASPA members

2019-07-08 Thread Heather Morrison
Thank you Michelle. It is helpful to know that Scopus is included in research4life, and I note the good work of this initiative. For the purposes of analysis of the appropriateness of CC-BY for open access, please note that CC-BY materials are likely being accessed today through a toll

Re: [GOAL] Results of OA article data collection from OASPA members

2019-07-08 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
Scopus does not only index Elsevier journals https://service.elsevier.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/11274/supporthub/scopus/ "Over 24,000 titles, including 4,200 Open Access journals from more than 5,000 international publishers." So the CC BY licence is irrelevant - the ability for Elsevier to

Re: [GOAL] Results of OA article data collection from OASPA members

2019-07-08 Thread Heather Morrison
Thank you Christian. Following are some points of agreement and relevant research, and follow-up questions. I think we agree that re-directing funding from subscriptions / purchase to fund production (shift economics from demand to supply side) is key to OA transition - I made this point with

Re: [GOAL] Results of OA article data collection from OASPA members

2019-07-08 Thread Christian Gutknecht
Well, I propose the following: 1. Academic Institutions should eventually stop paying for subscriptions (like Germany, UC etc) 2. Then the free money should be use to fund pure OA (through APCs, memberships, or any other well working OA business models out there) 3. Funders and Institutions

Re: [GOAL] Results of OA article data collection from OASPA members

2019-07-08 Thread Heather Morrison
hi Christian, Thank you for your contribution... Regarding your argument: "forcing Elsevier also to use CC-BY for their „own“ content would enable competition for analysis tools like Scopus", I have some questions. Let's start with: Are you and/or others proposing to force Elsevier to use

Re: [GOAL] Results of OA article data collection from OASPA members

2019-07-08 Thread Christian Gutknecht
Hi Heather Sorry, I can’t follow you on that: > Increase in monopoly power for Elsevier: anyone can use the CC licensed > material to create a competitor to Scopus, however only Elsevier can use > their copyrighted work. CC-BY reduces the likelihood of successful > competition. The problem

Re: [GOAL] Results of OA article data collection from OASPA members

2019-07-08 Thread Heather Morrison
In related news: Elsevier's toll access service Scopus now includes 5,393 open access journals. This is helpful to illustrate and analyze some of the implications of blanket downstream commercial re-use (e.g. CC-BY): Extra profit for Elsevier: no need to pay CC-BY journals, and open licensing

[GOAL] Results of OA article data collection from OASPA members

2019-07-08 Thread Bernie Folan
***With apologies for cross posting *** OASPA has published a new blog post summarising the results of a recent OA article data collection exercise carried out with input from OASPA members. You can find the post at https://oaspa.org/growth-continues-for-oaspa-member-oa-content/ Some