[GOAL] Re: Charles Oppenheim on who owns the rights to scholarly articles

2014-02-05 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Andrew A. Adams a...@meiji.ac.jp wrote: Now, I just archive and be damnedposting the author's final text (not the publisher PDF) in open depot ignoring any embargoes. If any publisher bothered to issue a take-down I'd reset to closed access (and always respond

[GOAL] Re: Charles Oppenheim on who owns the rights to scholarly articles

2014-02-05 Thread Uhlir, Paul
Interestingly, 2003 converges with the initial years of the open access movement... Paul From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Sally Morris [sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 8:17 AM To:

[GOAL] Re: Charles Oppenheim on who owns the rights to scholarly articles

2014-02-05 Thread Jan Velterop
Sally, Percentages, unfortunately, don't always mean much. I haven't read the Cox Cox report, but it would be interesting to know if the four largest publishers – less than half a percent of publishers, yet together having a market share of perhaps as much as two thirds of the scholarly

[GOAL] Re: Charles Oppenheim on who owns the rights to scholarly articles

2014-02-05 Thread Couture Marc
Sally Morris wrote: When Cox Cox last looked into this (in 2008), 53% of publishers requested a copyright transfer, 20.8% asked for a licence to publish instead, and 6.6% did not require any written agreement. These figures don't mean much by themselves. When an exclusive licence is used,

[GOAL] Re: Charles Oppenheim on who owns the rights to scholarly articles

2014-02-05 Thread Graham Triggs
An exclusive license, that prevents an author from exercising their copyright rights, may be as good as a copyright transfer as far as a publisher is concerned. In terms of the statistics you quote, do you know if that covers all types of publishers (for-profit, not-for-profit, societies, etc.),

[GOAL] Re: Charles Oppenheim on who owns the rights to scholarly articles

2014-02-05 Thread Michael Carroll
Hi all, This is an old issue. Kevin Smith is correct. Here's my version of why from 2006. http://carrollogos.blogspot.com/2006/05/copyright-in-pre-prints-and-post.htm l. The way to understand this is to forget about the sequence by which an article is produced and think only about the

[GOAL] Re: Charles Oppenheim on who owns the rights to scholarly articles

2014-02-05 Thread Wilhelmina Randtke
If license norms are broken down by discipline, I suspect they are very different for some disciplines. If I'm looking at publications for the correct Andrew A. Adams, I see engineering and computer science journals (IEEE and ACM publications). Maybe those fields tend towards more publisher

[GOAL] Re: Charles Oppenheim on who owns the rights to scholarly articles

2014-02-05 Thread Heather Morrison
Thanks to Michael Carroll for contributing to the discussion. Comments: Altering a work after publication by someone with no rights to claim copyright (e.g. re-publishing the Elsevier corpus with minor changes) is a very situation than the author's own prior versions of the work. In

[GOAL] Re: Charles Oppenheim on who owns the rights to scholarly articles

2014-02-05 Thread Andrew A. Adams
Sally Morris wrote: I find Andrew's experience surprising. When Cox Cox last looked into this (in 2008), 53% of publishers requested a copyright transfer, 20.8% asked for a licence to publish instead, and 6.6% did not require any written agreement. A further 19.6%, though initially asking

[GOAL] Re: Charles Oppenheim on who owns the rights to scholarly articles

2014-02-04 Thread Couture Marc
Hi all, As in all things legal, only a court decision could really settle this issue. In the meanwhile, legal commentators can weight the various arguments, drawing upon similar court decisions and legal principles. Unfortunately, neither Charles Oppenheimer nor Kevin Smith go much farther

[GOAL] Re: Charles Oppenheim on who owns the rights to scholarly articles

2014-02-04 Thread Chris Zielinski
This will surely depend on on the wording of the copyright assignment notice. Prudent authors should only sign away the rights to the final version of their paper (in this case, as edited and modified by Elsevier). This was the subversiveness in the original Harnad subversive proposal to

[GOAL] Re: Charles Oppenheim on who owns the rights to scholarly articles

2014-02-04 Thread Andrew A. Adams
Chris Zielinski ziggytheb...@gmail.com wrote: But even more prudent authors simply shouldn't sign the copyright assignment form - publishers don't need anything more than a licence to publish. Good luck with that if you're anything other than a tenured professor with a track record that