[GOAL] Re: The dramatic growth of BioMedCentral's open access article processing charges

2014-03-04 Thread Frantsvåg Jan Erik
of BioMedCentral's open access article processing charges Dear all, I completely agree with Bo-Christer, but I want to adress another problem with BMC. As far as I can see it - please correct me if I´m wrong - BMC does not mark rejected submission as such. If you have an institutional membership

[GOAL] Re: The dramatic growth of BioMedCentral's open access article processing charges

2014-03-03 Thread Dirk Pieper
Dear all, I completely agree with Bo-Christer, but I want to adress another problem with BMC. As far as I can see it - please correct me if I´m wrong - BMC does not mark rejected submission as such. If you have an institutional membership in order to to get a lean workflow for your authors

[GOAL] Re: The dramatic growth of BioMedCentral's open access article processing charges

2014-03-03 Thread Busch, Stefan
) Subject: [GOAL] Re: The dramatic growth of BioMedCentral's open access article processing charges Hi all, An interesting discussion. My perspective is not a moral one. The APC charged should as far as possible reflect the quality and services of the journal. The current full OA market (for APC

[GOAL] Re: The dramatic growth of BioMedCentral's open access article processing charges

2014-02-28 Thread Frantsvåg Jan Erik
Interesting numbers! Have you investigated if some of this increase could be explained by an increased rejection rate? - this would be an acceptable explanation, in my opinion. The suspicion is, of course, that this could be one result of e.g. the RCUK OA policy, which creates a less

[GOAL] Re: The dramatic growth of BioMedCentral's open access article processing charges

2014-02-28 Thread Graham Triggs
Jan Erik, Heather, There are a number of factors that can be at play here. I think it's reasonable to suspect that as a journal becomes more established - becoming better known, more trusted and potentially having greater kudos - that submission rates increase, and that may well impact on

[GOAL] Re: The dramatic growth of BioMedCentral's open access article processing charges

2014-02-28 Thread Heather Morrison
hi Jan, Good question! No, I have not looked into whether BMC's rejection rates have increased. Whether this would be an acceptable reason for increasing prices at all, or at a particular rate, is a different question. For example, unlike a print-based journal with size constraints imposed by

[GOAL] Re: The dramatic growth of BioMedCentral's open access article processing charges

2014-02-28 Thread Bo-Christer Björk
Hi all, An interesting discussion. My perspective is not a moral one. The APC charged should as far as possible reflect the quality and services of the journal. The current full OA market (for APC journals) is a relatively competive microeconomic market where customers(=authors) decide where

[GOAL] Re: The dramatic growth of BioMedCentral's open access article processing charges

2014-02-28 Thread Jan Velterop
A big flaw in the way journals are financially sustained — true for Article Processing Charges (APCs) of OA journals as well as for subscriptions to pay-walled journals — is that the entire cost of publication is loaded solely on the published articles. That may seem logical, but a large

[GOAL] Re: The dramatic growth of BioMedCentral's open access article processing charges

2014-02-28 Thread Jan Velterop
Bo-Christer, I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on the issue of costs due to higher rejection rates, or rather the non-existent costs of the process around peer review (which are everything but). It depends on the journal. In some cases, all that work is done outside the purview of the

[GOAL] Re: The dramatic growth of BioMedCentral's open access article processing charges

2014-02-28 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Jan Velterop velte...@gmail.com wrote: A big flaw in the way journals are financially sustained -- true for Article Processing Charges (APCs) of OA journals as well as for subscriptions to pay-walled journals -- is that the entire cost of publication is loaded