Re: Fool's Gold Journal Spam

2011-11-02 Thread Reme Melero
- open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org] On Behalf Of Dana Roth Sent: 31 October 2011 22:24 To: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Subject: Re: Fool's Gold Journal Spam Reme brings up an excellent, if unstated, point ... commercially

Re: Fool's Gold Journal Spam

2011-11-02 Thread Sally Morris
  From: American Scientist Open Access Forum [mailto:american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Cockerill Sent: 01 November 2011 18:45 To: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Subject: Re: Fool's Gold Journal Spam

Re: Fool's Gold Journal Spam

2011-11-02 Thread Matthew Cockerill
...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Subject: Re: Fool's Gold Journal Spam Surely authors have exactly the same freedom under the subscription model? Sally Sally Morris South House, The Street, Clapham, Worthing, West Sussex, UK  BN13 3UU Tel:  +44 (0)1903 871286 Email:  sa...@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk

Re: Fool's Gold Journal Spam

2011-11-01 Thread Matthew Cockerill
: Fool's Gold Journal Spam Reme brings up an excellent, if unstated, point ... commercially published OA journals like commercially published subscription journals are the problem ... not the society/non-commercial OA and subscription journals. Dana L. Roth Millikan Library / Caltech 1-32 1200 E

Re: Fool's Gold Journal Spam

2011-10-31 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Michael Eisen mbei...@gmail.com wrote: M.E.: But if you're going to use the standard of email inboxes being filled with nonstop entreaties to pursue a path to open access, surely it is green OA that would suffer the most :-). S.H.: Mike, do you

Re: Fool's Gold Journal Spam

2011-10-31 Thread Reme Melero
El 30/10/2011 17:03, Stevan Harnad escribió: Not only is it regrettable that OA is so unthinkingly identified in most people's minds exclusively with gold OA publishing, but this growing spate of relentless fool's-gold junk-OA spamming is now coalescing with that misconception -- and at the

Re: Fool's Gold Journal Spam

2011-10-31 Thread Ept
Message - From: Stevan Harnad amscifo...@gmail.com To: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 2:32 AM Subject: Re: Fool's Gold Journal Spam Richard, You are right about the abuse and the taint, and about the way even wrong-headed ideas can

Re: Fool's Gold Journal Spam

2011-10-31 Thread Dana Roth
1:28 AM To: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Subject: Re: Fool's Gold Journal Spam   El 30/10/2011 17:03, Stevan Harnad escribió:     Not only is it regrettable that OA is so unthinkingly identified in most people's minds exclusively with gold OA publishing

Fool's Gold Journal Spam

2011-10-30 Thread Stevan Harnad
Dear colleagues, They just keep coming, almost daily, pre-emptively spamming all the people we had been hoping to win over to Open Access. Not only is it regrettable that OA is so unthinkingly identified in most people's minds exclusively with gold OA publishing, but this growing spate of

Re: Fool's Gold Journal Spam

2011-10-30 Thread Michael Eisen
Stevan- Saying that people should shun gold OA because there are spammers pushing journals is like saying people should never take prescription drugs because there are spammers trying to sell cheap prescription drugs, or that nobody should ever do business with Nigeria. But if you're going to use

Re: Fool's Gold Journal Spam

2011-10-30 Thread Richard Poynder
This is a nettle that OA organisations like SPARC, OASPA and COPE should be grasping. There are things they could be doing, and things they could be saying. And for so long as the OA movement continues to ignore the problem, Open Access is in danger of being discredited. People are beginning to

Re: Fool's Gold Journal Spam

2011-10-30 Thread Stevan Harnad
Richard, You are right about the abuse and the taint, and about the way even wrong-headed ideas can  become entrenched and grow, just because of their number of believers, not their validity. And, yes, some thought OA would solve both the accessibility and the affordability problem (esp.

Re: Fool's Gold Journal Spam

2011-10-30 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Michael Eisen mbei...@gmail.com wrote: Stevan- Saying that people should shun gold OA because there are spammers pushing journals is like saying people should never take prescription drugs because there are spammers trying to sell cheap prescription drugs, or