[GOAL] Re: Elsevier Still Onside of Angels on Immediate, Unembargoed Green OA Self-Archiving By Its Authors

2013-05-03 Thread Stevan Harnad
On 2013-05-03, at 2:57 AM, David Prosser david.pros...@rluk.ac.uk wrote: I agree with Andras and I cannot see how any publisher who has a policy along the lines of: You may make your author version freely available without embargo unless you are mandated (by funder or institution) to do

[GOAL] My last post on the Cherubim/Seraphim issue (promise!)

2013-05-03 Thread Stevan Harnad
On 2013-05-03, at 5:02 AM, Andras Holl h...@konkoly.hu wrote: Though this be madness, yet there is method in it. I think that could be said on Elsevier's OA policy, because of two reasons. Firstly, it quite effectively hinders OA. Secondly, however badly constructed this OA policy is,

[GOAL] Re: Elsevier Still Onside of Angels on Immediate, Unembargoed Green OA Self-Archiving By Its Authors

2013-05-03 Thread David Prosser
Since -- exactly like Springer's (hedge-free) rights-retention policy (and countless others) -- Elsevier's policy does indeed formally recognize right of the authors of the articles published in 2000 Elsevier journals to make them immediately OA (unembargoed), I would say that the angelic

[GOAL] Re: My last post on the Cherubim/Seraphim issue (promise!)

2013-05-03 Thread brentier
Elsevier's policy is now clear: Accepted author manuscripts (AAM): Immediate posting and dissemination of AAM’s is allowed to personal websites, to institutional repositories, or to arXiv. However, if your institution has an open access policy or mandate that requires you to post, Elsevier

[GOAL] Re: My last post on the Cherubim/Seraphim issue (promise!)

2013-05-03 Thread Michael Eisen
Back in 2002 when the debates about Gold vs. Green OA began, I and other advocates for developing Gold OA publishing argued that the friendly stance of publishers like Elsevier to self-archiving was a transient state, and that as soon as people started to make appreciable numbers of papers

[GOAL] On Author/Publisher Agreements

2013-05-03 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:08 AM, brent...@ulg.ac.be wrote: Elsevier's policy is now clear: *Accepted author manuscripts (AAM)http://www.elsevier.com/about/open-access/open-access-policies/article-posting-policy#accepted-author-manuscript *: Immediate posting and dissemination of AAM’s is

[GOAL] Comparing Revenues for OA and Subscription Publishing

2013-05-03 Thread David Prosser
(Cross-posted) The Economist has published another piece on open access publishing: http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21577035-open-access-scientific-publishing-gaining-ground-free-all I was struck by one paragraph in particular: Outsell, a Californian consultancy, estimates

[GOAL] Re: On Author/Publisher Agreements

2013-05-03 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:33 AM, David Kane dk...@wit.ie wrote: Thanks for flagging this. I am not clear about exactly what you mean though. Are you talking about an extra clause in the existing Institutional LICENCING agreement, or a second Institutional agreement that they are now

[GOAL] Re: On Author/Publisher Agreements

2013-05-03 Thread Couture Marc
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:08 AM, brent...@ulg.ac.be wrote: Elsevier's policy is now clear: Well, Elsevier's intentions are maybe clear (or clearer now) but, personally, I wouldn't qualify as clear a policy which is scattered among many documents and which, even after being read and reread,

[GOAL] Re: Comparing Revenues for OA and Subscription Publishing

2013-05-03 Thread David Prosser
Sally Cost to the research community, not the narrow costs to the publisher. If it helps you just add 'to the research community' every time you see the word 'cost' or 'costs'. Of course many would agree that in the current system there is little relation between costs to the publisher and