Re: [GOAL] FW: [accesouvert] Pour une science ouverte à tous

2016-03-26 Thread Stevan Harnad 
On Mar 26, 2016, at 11:07 AM, Hélène.Bosc <hbosc-tcher...@orange.fr> wrote:

> Stevan,
> Problably it's too verbose and could have been more clearly written! But we 
> are lucky in France
> to have such a level of understanding of Open Access! This column published 
> in le Monde is a
> way to educate policy makers (and others) !
> Perhaps it's not a perfect document but it exists! And it's more complete and 
> true
> (talking about OA)  that this one : 
> http://openaccess.mpg.de/2121558/MPDL_Open_Access_White_Paper 
> <http://openaccess.mpg.de/2121558/MPDL_Open_Access_White_Paper>! 
> Hélène Bosc

Hélène,

You are absolutely (as well as relatively) right!

Let’s hope it leads to concrete implementation sooner than  the “Berlin 
Declaration <http://www.dlib.org/dlib/march05/harnad/03harnad.html>”
of 2003 (still not implemented in 2016).

But let’s also remember that it is not declarations or petitions 
<http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/0934.html> or even 
attention 
that OA has lacked since at least 1994 
<http://poynder.blogspot.ca/2014/06/the-subversive-proposal-at-20.html>: 
It’s action.

The 22+ years needlessly lost so far are irretrievable. The question (for 
future historians <http://www.dlib.org/dlib/december99/12harnad.html>) 
will be how many more were lost, since 2016, until the optimal, inevitable and 
obvious 
outcome — fully within reach for decades — was at last grasped?

After all, OA is not (and never has been) rocket science. It’s just  raincoat 
science 
<http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/179-Raincoat-Science.html>.

But I’m just repeating myself...

SH

> - Original Message - 
>> From: Stevan Harnad <mailto:amscifo...@gmail.com>
>> To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) <mailto:goal@eprints.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 3:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [GOAL]FW: [accesouvert] Pour une science ouverte à tous
>> 
>> Too verbose and vague: All scientific and scholarly research must be made 
>> freely accessible to everyone online immediately upon passing peer review.
>> 
>> SH
>> 
>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 3:10 AM, BAUIN Serge <serge.ba...@cnrs.fr 
>> <mailto:serge.ba...@cnrs.fr>> wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>> (sorry for cross posting)
>>> 
>>> For those who can read French or can have a short French text easily 
>>> explained.
>>> 
>>> As you may be aware of, a law is under scrutiny now in France with two 
>>> articles concerning scientific publications.
>>> One is about open access and the right for authors to deposit their papers 
>>> in a an OA repository (very similar to the German law), the second one 
>>> about TDM rights (very similar to the English law).
>>> The French law has been adopted by the « Assemblée Nationale » (lower 
>>> chamber) and is now in the hands of the « Sénat » (higher chamber).
>>> Lobbying by some publishers endangers a proper voting in the Sénat.
>>> An opinion column signed by 33 top level scientists, including 3 Nobel 
>>> price and a Fields medal laureates, has been published in « Le Monde 
>>> <http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/article/2016/03/07/pour-une-science-ouverte-a-tous_4878011_1650684.html?xtmc=pour_une_science_ouverte_a_tous=4>
>>>  » early this month.
>>> The decision has been taken to turn this column into a petition to be 
>>> addressed to Thierry Mandon, Junior Minister for Higher Education and 
>>> Research.
>>> 
>>> You can sign it and have it signed if you will.
>>> 
>>> All the best
>>> 
>>> Serge
>>> 
>>> De : Emilien RUIZ <emilien.r...@univ-lille3.fr 
>>> <mailto:emilien.r...@univ-lille3.fr>>
>>> Répondre à : Emilien RUIZ <emilien.r...@univ-lille3.fr 
>>> <mailto:emilien.r...@univ-lille3.fr>>
>>> Date : Fri, 25 Mar 2016 16:37:36 +0100
>>> À : "d...@groupes.renater.fr <mailto:d...@groupes.renater.fr>" 
>>> <d...@groupes.renater.fr <mailto:d...@groupes.renater.fr>>, 
>>> "accesouv...@groupes.renater.fr <mailto:accesouv...@groupes.renater.fr>" 
>>> <accesouv...@groupes.renater.fr <mailto:accesouv...@groupes.renater.fr>>
>>> Objet : [accesouvert] Pour une science ouverte à tous
>>> 
>>> Bonjour à toutes et tous,
>>> 
>>> Constatant le poids politique d'un très petit nombre d'éditeurs privés et 
>>> leur activisme contre la loi auprès des cabinets (Recherche, Education, 
>>> Culture, Premier Ministre, Elysée), nous avons décid

Re: [GOAL] FW: [accesouvert] Pour une science ouverte à tous

2016-03-26 Thread Hélène . Bosc 
Stevan,
Problably it's too verbose and could have been more clearly written! But we are 
lucky in France to have such a level of understanding of Open Access! This 
column published in le Monde is a way to educate policy makers (and others) !
Perhaps it's not a perfect document but it exists! And it's more complete and 
true (talking about OA)  that this one : 
http://openaccess.mpg.de/2121558/MPDL_Open_Access_White_Paper! 
Hélène Bosc
- Original Message - 
  From: Stevan Harnad 
  To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) 
  Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 3:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [GOAL]FW: [accesouvert] Pour une science ouverte à tous


  Too verbose and vague: All scientific and scholarly research must be made 
freely accessible to everyone online immediately upon passing peer review.


  SH


  On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 3:10 AM, BAUIN Serge <serge.ba...@cnrs.fr> wrote:

Dear all,
(sorry for cross posting)


For those who can read French or can have a short French text easily 
explained.


As you may be aware of, a law is under scrutiny now in France with two 
articles concerning scientific publications.
One is about open access and the right for authors to deposit their papers 
in a an OA repository (very similar to the German law), the second one about 
TDM rights (very similar to the English law).
The French law has been adopted by the « Assemblée Nationale » (lower 
chamber) and is now in the hands of the « Sénat » (higher chamber).
Lobbying by some publishers endangers a proper voting in the Sénat.
An opinion column signed by 33 top level scientists, including 3 Nobel 
price and a Fields medal laureates, has been published in « Le Monde » early 
this month.
The decision has been taken to turn this column into a petition to be 
addressed to Thierry Mandon, Junior Minister for Higher Education and Research.


You can sign it and have it signed if you will.


All the best


Serge


De : Emilien RUIZ <emilien.r...@univ-lille3.fr>
Répondre à : Emilien RUIZ <emilien.r...@univ-lille3.fr>
Date : Fri, 25 Mar 2016 16:37:36 +0100
À : "d...@groupes.renater.fr" <d...@groupes.renater.fr>, 
"accesouv...@groupes.renater.fr" <accesouv...@groupes.renater.fr>
Objet : [accesouvert] Pour une science ouverte à tous



Bonjour à toutes et tous,

Constatant le poids politique d'un très petit nombre d'éditeurs privés et 
leur activisme contre la loi auprès des cabinets (Recherche, Education, 
Culture, Premier Ministre, Elysée), nous avons décidé, avec les co-auteurs de 
la tribune parue dans Le Monde le 7 mars dernier, de la transformer en pétition 
sur Change.org, afin de collecter la signature des "chercheurs de terrain". 
Notre objectif est d'atteindre plusieurs milliers de signatures avant le vote 
de la loi.


https://www.change.org/p/thierry-mandon-education-gouv-fr-pour-une-science-ouverte-%C3%A0-tous
 





Si vous partagez le point de vue de ce texte, n'hésitez pas à le signer et 
à le diffuser.

Bien cordialement,

-- 

Émilien Ruiz
Maître de conférences en histoire contemporaine
Université Lille 3 - IRHiS (UMR 8529)
Site web | Page professionnelle




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Re: [GOAL] FW: [accesouvert] Pour une science ouverte à tous

2016-03-26 Thread Stevan Harnad 
Too verbose and vague: All scientific and scholarly research must be made
freely accessible to everyone online immediately upon passing peer review.

SH

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 3:10 AM, BAUIN Serge  wrote:

> Dear all,
> (sorry for cross posting)
>
> For those who can read French or can have a short French text easily
> explained.
>
> As you may be aware of, a law is under scrutiny now in France with two
> articles concerning scientific publications.
> One is about open access and the right for authors to deposit their papers
> in a an OA repository (very similar to the German law), the second one
> about TDM rights (very similar to the English law).
> The French law has been adopted by the « Assemblée Nationale » (lower
> chamber) and is now in the hands of the « Sénat » (higher chamber).
> Lobbying by some publishers endangers a proper voting in the Sénat.
> An opinion column signed by 33 top level scientists, including 3 Nobel
> price and a Fields medal laureates, has been published in « Le Monde
> 
>  »
> early this month.
> The decision has been taken to turn this column into a petition to be
> addressed to Thierry Mandon, Junior Minister for Higher Education and
> Research.
>
> You can sign it and have it signed if you will.
>
> All the best
>
> Serge
>
> De : Emilien RUIZ 
> Répondre à : Emilien RUIZ 
> Date : Fri, 25 Mar 2016 16:37:36 +0100
> À : "d...@groupes.renater.fr" , "
> accesouv...@groupes.renater.fr" 
> Objet : [accesouvert] Pour une science ouverte à tous
>
> Bonjour à toutes et tous,
>
> Constatant le poids politique d'un très petit nombre d'éditeurs privés et
> leur activisme contre la loi auprès des cabinets (Recherche, Education,
> Culture, Premier Ministre, Elysée), nous avons décidé, avec les co-auteurs
> de la tribune parue dans *Le Monde *le 7 mars dernier, de la transformer
> en pétition sur Change.org, afin de collecter la signature des "chercheurs
> de terrain". Notre objectif est d'atteindre plusieurs milliers de
> signatures avant le vote de la loi.
>
>
> https://www.change.org/p/thierry-mandon-education-gouv-fr-pour-une-science-ouverte-%C3%A0-tous
>
>
>
> Si vous partagez le point de vue de ce texte, n'hésitez pas à le signer et
> à le diffuser.
>
> Bien cordialement,
> --
> *Émilien Ruiz*
> Maître de conférences en histoire contemporaine
> Université Lille 3 - IRHiS (UMR 8529)
> Site web  | Page professionnelle
> 
>
>
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[GOAL] FW: [accesouvert] Pour une science ouverte à tous

2016-03-26 Thread BAUIN Serge 
Dear all,
(sorry for cross posting)

For those who can read French or can have a short French text easily explained.

As you may be aware of, a law is under scrutiny now in France with two articles 
concerning scientific publications.
One is about open access and the right for authors to deposit their papers in a 
an OA repository (very similar to the German law), the second one about TDM 
rights (very similar to the English law).
The French law has been adopted by the « Assemblée Nationale » (lower chamber) 
and is now in the hands of the « Sénat » (higher chamber).
Lobbying by some publishers endangers a proper voting in the Sénat.
An opinion column signed by 33 top level scientists, including 3 Nobel price 
and a Fields medal laureates, has been published in « Le 
Monde
 » early this month.
The decision has been taken to turn this column into a petition to be addressed 
to Thierry Mandon, Junior Minister for Higher Education and Research.

You can sign it and have it signed if you will.

All the best

Serge

De : Emilien RUIZ 
>
Répondre à : Emilien RUIZ 
>
Date : Fri, 25 Mar 2016 16:37:36 +0100
À : "d...@groupes.renater.fr" 
>, 
"accesouv...@groupes.renater.fr" 
>
Objet : [accesouvert] Pour une science ouverte à tous


Bonjour à toutes et tous,

Constatant le poids politique d'un très petit nombre d'éditeurs privés et leur 
activisme contre la loi auprès des cabinets (Recherche, Education, Culture, 
Premier Ministre, Elysée), nous avons décidé, avec les co-auteurs de la tribune 
parue dans Le Monde le 7 mars dernier, de la transformer en pétition sur 
Change.org, afin de collecter la signature des "chercheurs de terrain". Notre 
objectif est d'atteindre plusieurs milliers de signatures avant le vote de la 
loi.

https://www.change.org/p/thierry-mandon-education-gouv-fr-pour-une-science-ouverte-%C3%A0-tous


Si vous partagez le point de vue de ce texte, n'hésitez pas à le signer et à le 
diffuser.

Bien cordialement,

--
Émilien Ruiz
Maître de conférences en histoire contemporaine
Université Lille 3 - IRHiS (UMR 8529)
Site web | Page 
professionnelle

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