[GOAL] Re: Is access to information a human right?
Dear Peter and Chris The right of access to scientific information also played a role in the decision of the Swiss Federal Court in the Case ETHZ vs Elsevier, Springer and Thieme in regards of the document delivery service at the ETHZ. (https://plus.google.com/115599971535973973155/posts/dFYqhJW9z4k ) In their overall argument (http://relevancy.bger.ch/php/aza/http/index.php?lang=detype=show_documenthighlight_docid=aza://28-11-2014-4A_295-2014print=yes ), the Federal Court made also the argument that the “Wissenschaftsfreiheit” (the guarantee of an untouchable creative center of scientific discovery and teaching as well as maintenance of the intellectual und methodological independence of the research”, among other rights has to be weighed of interests against the rights of the right holder, and concluded, that in the case of copying entire articles from a journal that this is lawful. Other rights considered right of communication, right of opinion and information, right of basic education, right of art and right of economy. Another part of the argument, unrelated to the rights above, but probably decisive in this case, has been that an article is a part of journal which is what the subscriber (the library) pays for. Paragraph 3.6.2 …. einen Ausgleich zwischen verschiedenen grundrechtlich geschützten Interessen herzustellen, so insbesondere zwischen der Eigentumsgarantie (Art. 26 Abs. 1 BV) einerseits und den Kommunikationsgrundrechten (Kultusfreiheit [Art. 15 BV], Meinungs- und Informationsfreiheit [Art. 16 BV], Medienfreiheit [Art. 17 BV], Anspruch auf Grundschulunterricht [Art. 19 BV], Wissenschaftsfreiheit [Art. 20 BV], Kunstfreiheit [Art. 21 BV] und Wirtschaftsfreiheit [Art. 27 BV]) andererseits ( GASSER, a.a.O., N. 4 Vorbem. zu Art. 19 ff. URG, N. 31 zu Art. 19 URG). Unfortunately, the case is in German but would make a very good read for scientists interested in copyright to understand better, how the court argues such cases – as opposed to the discussions we have in our scientific communities. May be one day I or somebody else will translate it. Cheers Donat From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Peter Murray-Rust Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 9:27 PM To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Re: Is access to information a human right? Completely support you Chris. I blogged about this 3-4 years back but got little take-up http://blogs.ch.cam.ac.uk/pmr/2011/09/30/access-to-scientific-publications-should-be-a-fundamental-right/ reported later... http://access.okfn.org/2012/03/20/scientific-social-networks-are-the-future-of-science/ We need to keep arguing this! On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Chris Zielinski ziggytheb...@gmail.commailto:ziggytheb...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for this comment, Jenny, and for sharing the link to Farida Shaheed's Report on The right to enjoy the benefits of scientific progress and its applications. She makes some interesting points regarding the right of access to scientific (and cultural) knowledge, and notes that governments are increasingly insisting on open access to the results of government-funded research. While this is indeed a chink in the armor, it is a long way short of comprehensive open access to all information essential to human development. Altogether, the UDHR/Covenant do not offer the interpretation that access to information is a human right.You would in fact have to conclude the reverse - if authors/creators have a human right to their output, which allows them to decide all significant further uses (publishing, reading, etc) of their work then surely nobody else does.Note that I am arguing this strictly from a rights perspective, not applied law. In the next few weeks I hope to develop a few more building blocks for my argument in the blog, before trying to pull them all together. Best, Chris On 5 January 2015 at 15:00, Jenny Molloy jenny.mol...@okfn.orgmailto:jenny.mol...@okfn.org wrote: Thanks Chris, this is very interesting and I look forward to reading your future blogs on reconciling access to knowledge with authors rights. I've found the following article to be a good exploration of discussions on the normative content of the 'right to enjoy the benefits of scientific progress' (part of Article 27 of UDHR): Report of the Special Rapporteur in the field of cultural rights, Farida Shaheed The right to enjoy the benefits of scientific progress and its applications http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies/HRCouncil/RegularSession/Session20/A-HRC-20-26_en.pdf Jenny On 31 December 2014 at 22:02, Chris Zielinski ziggytheb...@gmail.commailto:ziggytheb...@gmail.com wrote: I’ve just posted a blog that might be of interest to members of this list. The blog seeks to answer the question, “Is access to information a human right?” by carrying out a short, non-specialist analysis of Articles of the Universal Declaration
[GOAL] Re: Is access to information a human right?
Fascinating We have been thinking we might try to pull together the issues regarding images in science, and perhaps we could weave the two themes together in that paper? Paddy On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Donat Agosti ago...@amnh.org wrote: Dear Peter and Chris The right of access to scientific information also played a role in the decision of the Swiss Federal Court in the Case ETHZ vs Elsevier, Springer and Thieme in regards of the document delivery service at the ETHZ. ( https://plus.google.com/115599971535973973155/posts/dFYqhJW9z4k ) In their overall argument ( http://relevancy.bger.ch/php/aza/http/index.php?lang=detype=show_documenthighlight_docid=aza://28-11-2014-4A_295-2014print=yes ), the Federal Court made also the argument that the “Wissenschaftsfreiheit” (the guarantee of an untouchable creative center of scientific discovery and teaching as well as maintenance of the intellectual und methodological independence of the research”, among other rights has to be weighed of interests against the rights of the right holder, and concluded, that in the case of copying entire articles from a journal that this is lawful. Other rights considered right of communication, right of opinion and information, right of basic education, right of art and right of economy. Another part of the argument, unrelated to the rights above, but probably decisive in this case, has been that an article is a part of journal which is what the subscriber (the library) pays for. Paragraph 3.6.2 …. einen Ausgleich zwischen verschiedenen grundrechtlich geschützten Interessen herzustellen, so insbesondere zwischen der Eigentumsgarantie (Art. 26 Abs. 1 BV) einerseits und den Kommunikationsgrundrechten (Kultusfreiheit [Art. 15 BV], Meinungs- und Informationsfreiheit [Art. 16 BV], Medienfreiheit [Art. 17 BV], Anspruch auf Grundschulunterricht [Art. 19 BV], Wissenschaftsfreiheit [Art. 20 BV], Kunstfreiheit [Art. 21 BV] und Wirtschaftsfreiheit [Art. 27 BV]) andererseits ( GASSER, a.a.O., N. 4 Vorbem. zu Art. 19 ff. URG, N. 31 zu Art. 19 URG). Unfortunately, the case is in German but would make a very good read for scientists interested in copyright to understand better, how the court argues such cases – as opposed to the discussions we have in our scientific communities. May be one day I or somebody else will translate it. Cheers Donat *From:* goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter Murray-Rust *Sent:* Monday, January 5, 2015 9:27 PM *To:* Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) *Subject:* [GOAL] Re: Is access to information a human right? Completely support you Chris. I blogged about this 3-4 years back but got little take-up http://blogs.ch.cam.ac.uk/pmr/2011/09/30/access-to-scientific-publications-should-be-a-fundamental-right/ reported later... http://access.okfn.org/2012/03/20/scientific-social-networks-are-the-future-of-science/ We need to keep arguing this! On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Chris Zielinski ziggytheb...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for this comment, Jenny, and for sharing the link to Farida Shaheed's Report on The right to enjoy the benefits of scientific progress and its applications. She makes some interesting points regarding the right of access to scientific (and cultural) knowledge, and notes that governments are increasingly insisting on open access to the results of government-funded research. While this is indeed a chink in the armor, it is a long way short of comprehensive open access to all information essential to human development. Altogether, the UDHR/Covenant do not offer the interpretation that access to information is a human right.You would in fact have to conclude the reverse - if authors/creators have a human right to their output, which allows them to decide all significant further uses (publishing, reading, etc) of their work then surely nobody else does.Note that I am arguing this strictly from a rights perspective, not applied law. In the next few weeks I hope to develop a few more building blocks for my argument in the blog, before trying to pull them all together. Best, Chris On 5 January 2015 at 15:00, Jenny Molloy jenny.mol...@okfn.org wrote: Thanks Chris, this is very interesting and I look forward to reading your future blogs on reconciling access to knowledge with authors rights. I've found the following article to be a good exploration of discussions on the normative content of the 'right to enjoy the benefits of scientific progress' (part of Article 27 of UDHR): Report of the Special Rapporteur in the field of cultural rights, Farida Shaheed The right to enjoy the benefits of scientific progress and its applications http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies/HRCouncil/RegularSession/Session20/A-HRC-20-26_en.pdf Jenny On 31 December 2014 at 22:02, Chris Zielinski ziggytheb...@gmail.com
[GOAL] Re: Is access to information a human right?
Thanks Chris, this is very interesting and I look forward to reading your future blogs on reconciling access to knowledge with authors rights. I've found the following article to be a good exploration of discussions on the normative content of the 'right to enjoy the benefits of scientific progress' (part of Article 27 of UDHR): Report of the Special Rapporteur in the field of cultural rights, Farida Shaheed The right to enjoy the benefits of scientific progress and its applications http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies/HRCouncil/RegularSession/Session20/A-HRC-20-26_en.pdf Jenny On 31 December 2014 at 22:02, Chris Zielinski ziggytheb...@gmail.com wrote: I’ve just posted a blog that might be of interest to members of this list. The blog seeks to answer the question, “Is access to information a human right?” by carrying out a short, non-specialist analysis of Articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It is at http://ziggytheblue.wordpress.com – Wordpress runs a short free registration step and sends you no subsequent spam. Happy New Year to all! Chris Chris Zielinski ch...@chriszielinski.com ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
[GOAL] Re: Is access to information a human right?
Thanks for the message, Peter, and for the interesting links: there's nothing new under the sun! I found a couple of your examples so interesting that I propose to dust them off and re-use them - with full credit to you, of course. At this point, I don't see what I am doing as campaigning for anything, but rather trying to pick apart the various threads that converge on access to information. Best, Chris On 5 January 2015 at 20:27, Peter Murray-Rust pm...@cam.ac.uk wrote: Completely support you Chris. I blogged about this 3-4 years back but got little take-up http://blogs.ch.cam.ac.uk/pmr/2011/09/30/access-to-scientific-publications-should-be-a-fundamental-right/ reported later... http://access.okfn.org/2012/03/20/scientific-social-networks-are-the-future-of-science/ We need to keep arguing this! On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Chris Zielinski ziggytheb...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for this comment, Jenny, and for sharing the link to Farida Shaheed's Report on The right to enjoy the benefits of scientific progress and its applications. She makes some interesting points regarding the right of access to scientific (and cultural) knowledge, and notes that governments are increasingly insisting on open access to the results of government-funded research. While this is indeed a chink in the armor, it is a long way short of comprehensive open access to all information essential to human development. Altogether, the UDHR/Covenant do not offer the interpretation that access to information is a human right.You would in fact have to conclude the reverse - if authors/creators have a human right to their output, which allows them to decide all significant further uses (publishing, reading, etc) of their work then surely nobody else does.Note that I am arguing this strictly from a rights perspective, not applied law. In the next few weeks I hope to develop a few more building blocks for my argument in the blog, before trying to pull them all together. Best, Chris On 5 January 2015 at 15:00, Jenny Molloy jenny.mol...@okfn.org wrote: Thanks Chris, this is very interesting and I look forward to reading your future blogs on reconciling access to knowledge with authors rights. I've found the following article to be a good exploration of discussions on the normative content of the 'right to enjoy the benefits of scientific progress' (part of Article 27 of UDHR): Report of the Special Rapporteur in the field of cultural rights, Farida Shaheed The right to enjoy the benefits of scientific progress and its applications http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies/HRCouncil/RegularSession/Session20/A-HRC-20-26_en.pdf Jenny On 31 December 2014 at 22:02, Chris Zielinski ziggytheb...@gmail.com wrote: I’ve just posted a blog that might be of interest to members of this list. The blog seeks to answer the question, “Is access to information a human right?” by carrying out a short, non-specialist analysis of Articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It is at http://ziggytheblue.wordpress.com – Wordpress runs a short free registration step and sends you no subsequent spam. Happy New Year to all! Chris Chris Zielinski ch...@chriszielinski.com ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
[GOAL] Re: Is access to information a human right?
Completely support you Chris. I blogged about this 3-4 years back but got little take-up http://blogs.ch.cam.ac.uk/pmr/2011/09/30/access-to-scientific-publications-should-be-a-fundamental-right/ reported later... http://access.okfn.org/2012/03/20/scientific-social-networks-are-the-future-of-science/ We need to keep arguing this! On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Chris Zielinski ziggytheb...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for this comment, Jenny, and for sharing the link to Farida Shaheed's Report on The right to enjoy the benefits of scientific progress and its applications. She makes some interesting points regarding the right of access to scientific (and cultural) knowledge, and notes that governments are increasingly insisting on open access to the results of government-funded research. While this is indeed a chink in the armor, it is a long way short of comprehensive open access to all information essential to human development. Altogether, the UDHR/Covenant do not offer the interpretation that access to information is a human right.You would in fact have to conclude the reverse - if authors/creators have a human right to their output, which allows them to decide all significant further uses (publishing, reading, etc) of their work then surely nobody else does.Note that I am arguing this strictly from a rights perspective, not applied law. In the next few weeks I hope to develop a few more building blocks for my argument in the blog, before trying to pull them all together. Best, Chris On 5 January 2015 at 15:00, Jenny Molloy jenny.mol...@okfn.org wrote: Thanks Chris, this is very interesting and I look forward to reading your future blogs on reconciling access to knowledge with authors rights. I've found the following article to be a good exploration of discussions on the normative content of the 'right to enjoy the benefits of scientific progress' (part of Article 27 of UDHR): Report of the Special Rapporteur in the field of cultural rights, Farida Shaheed The right to enjoy the benefits of scientific progress and its applications http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies/HRCouncil/RegularSession/Session20/A-HRC-20-26_en.pdf Jenny On 31 December 2014 at 22:02, Chris Zielinski ziggytheb...@gmail.com wrote: I’ve just posted a blog that might be of interest to members of this list. The blog seeks to answer the question, “Is access to information a human right?” by carrying out a short, non-specialist analysis of Articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It is at http://ziggytheblue.wordpress.com – Wordpress runs a short free registration step and sends you no subsequent spam. Happy New Year to all! Chris Chris Zielinski ch...@chriszielinski.com ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
[GOAL] Re: Is access to information a human right?
Thanks for this comment, Jenny, and for sharing the link to Farida Shaheed's Report on The right to enjoy the benefits of scientific progress and its applications. She makes some interesting points regarding the right of access to scientific (and cultural) knowledge, and notes that governments are increasingly insisting on open access to the results of government-funded research. While this is indeed a chink in the armor, it is a long way short of comprehensive open access to all information essential to human development. Altogether, the UDHR/Covenant do not offer the interpretation that access to information is a human right.You would in fact have to conclude the reverse - if authors/creators have a human right to their output, which allows them to decide all significant further uses (publishing, reading, etc) of their work then surely nobody else does.Note that I am arguing this strictly from a rights perspective, not applied law. In the next few weeks I hope to develop a few more building blocks for my argument in the blog, before trying to pull them all together. Best, Chris On 5 January 2015 at 15:00, Jenny Molloy jenny.mol...@okfn.org wrote: Thanks Chris, this is very interesting and I look forward to reading your future blogs on reconciling access to knowledge with authors rights. I've found the following article to be a good exploration of discussions on the normative content of the 'right to enjoy the benefits of scientific progress' (part of Article 27 of UDHR): Report of the Special Rapporteur in the field of cultural rights, Farida Shaheed The right to enjoy the benefits of scientific progress and its applications http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies/HRCouncil/RegularSession/Session20/A-HRC-20-26_en.pdf Jenny On 31 December 2014 at 22:02, Chris Zielinski ziggytheb...@gmail.com wrote: I’ve just posted a blog that might be of interest to members of this list. The blog seeks to answer the question, “Is access to information a human right?” by carrying out a short, non-specialist analysis of Articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It is at http://ziggytheblue.wordpress.com – Wordpress runs a short free registration step and sends you no subsequent spam. Happy New Year to all! Chris Chris Zielinski ch...@chriszielinski.com ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
