[GOAL] Re: OA Provision vs. OA Semiology

2015-08-19 Thread Stevan Harnad
Apologies, the URL lacked a “.”

It should have been Paid Gold OA Versus Free Gold OA: Against Color Cacophony 
http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/1003-.html (2013)

(Although Hélène’s was an under-estimate, it was not quite as great an 
under-estimate
as that!)

SH

 On Aug 19, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Hélène.Bosc hbosc-tcher...@orange.fr wrote:
 
 Looking at the graphs that are in  Paid Gold OA Versus Free Gold OA: Against 
 Color Cacophony http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/1003-html 
 I see that I was really  under the truth when I said in my previous message 
 of the 15th  August that OA f
 ree, colored and hightly precious terminology has been discussed more than 
 100 times .
 I should have said :  1000 times!
 Hélène Bosc
 - Original Message - 
 From: Stevan Harnad mailto:amscifo...@gmail.com
 To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) mailto:goal@eprints.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:42 PM
 Subject: [GOAL] OA Provision vs. OA Semiology
 
 The purpose of terminology and definitions is to clarify and simplify their 
 referents.
 
 The BBB description of OA, based on the first B in 2002 
 http://www.budapestopenaccessinitiative.org/read, was updated in 2008 
 http://legacy.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/2008/08/greengold-oa-and-gratislibre-oa.html
  to distinguish Green
 from Gold OA and Gratis from Libre OA, exactly along the lines described:
 
 See also:
 
 On Diamond OA, Platinum OA, Titanium OA, and Overlay-Journal OA, 
 Again http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/993-.htmland
 Paid Gold OA Versus Free Gold OA: Against Color Cacophony 
 http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/1003-html (2013)
 
 And, to repeat: 
 
 There is no Platinum OA. OA is about access, not about funding mechanisms
 (of which there are three: subscription fee, publication fee, or subsidy
 [the latter not to be confused with gratis])
 
 After at least a decade and a half I think it would be a good idea to stop 
 fussing about what
 to call it, and focus instead on providing it...
 
 
 Stevan Harnad

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[GOAL] Re: OA Provision vs. OA Semiology

2015-08-19 Thread Hélène . Bosc
Looking at the graphs that are in  Paid Gold OA Versus Free Gold OA: Against 
Color Cacophony I see that I was really  under the truth when I said in my 
previous message of the 15th  August that OA free, colored and hightly precious 
terminology has been discussed more than 100 times .
I should have said :  1000 times!
Hélène Bosc
  - Original Message - 
  From: Stevan Harnad 
  To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 1:42 PM
  Subject: [GOAL] OA Provision vs. OA Semiology


  The purpose of terminology and definitions is to clarify and simplify their 
referents.


  The BBB description of OA, based on the first B in 2002, was updated in 2008 
to distinguish Green from Gold OA and Gratis from Libre OA, exactly along the 
lines described:


  See also:


On Diamond OA, Platinum OA, Titanium OA, and Overlay-Journal OA, 
Again
and
Paid Gold OA Versus Free Gold OA: Against Color Cacophony (2013)


  And, to repeat: 


  There is no Platinum OA. OA is about access, not about funding 
mechanisms
  (of which there are three: subscription fee, publication fee, or subsidy
  [the latter not to be confused with gratis])


  After at least a decade and a half I think it would be a good idea to 
stop fussing about what to call it, and focus instead on providing it...


  Stevan Harnad


On Aug 19, 2015, at 3:00 AM, MIGUEL ERNESTO NAVAS FERNANDEZ 
miguel.na...@ub.edu wrote:
Dear all,
I would like to answer to the definitions given by Stevan Harnad:
1. Green OA means OA provided by the author (usually by self-archiving the 
refereed, revised, accepted final draft in an OA repository)
2. Gold OA means OA provided by the journal (often for a publication fee)
3. Gratis OA means free online access.
4. Libre OA means Gratis OA plus various re-use rights
I agree with the idea that we should use the same official definitions, but 
when those a) are not clear, b) look contradictious and c) fail to represent 
reality, then we should clarify them a little.
And I think that they are not clear (what does a color name mean?), look 
contradictious (OA cannot be only gratis according to BBB definitions) and c) 
they fail to represent reality if they do not consider OA-ACP (Platinum OA) and 
OA+APC (Commercial OA) as different things.
I will explain myself.
First, I don't agree with statements 3 and 4. According to the last 
official OA definition given by at Bethesda 
(http://legacy.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/bethesda.htm#definition), An Open 
Access Publication[1] is one that meets the following two conditions:
1) The author(s) and copyright holder(s) grant(s) to all users a free, 
irrevocable, worldwide, perpetual right of access to, and a license to copy, 
use, distribute, transmit and display the work publicly and to make and 
distribute derivative works, in any digital medium for any responsible purpose, 
subject to proper attribution of authorship[2], as well as the right to make 
small numbers of printed copies for their personal use.
2) A complete version of the work and all supplemental materials, including 
a copy of the permission as stated above, in a suitable standard electronic 
format is deposited immediately upon initial publication in at least one online 
repository that is supported by an academic institution, scholarly society, 
government agency, or other well-established organization that seeks to enable 
open access, unrestricted distribution, interoperability, and long-term 
archiving (for the biomedical sciences, PubMed Central is such a repository).
Reading only 1), Open Access = free access + re-use rights. Free access 
only is not OA. Therefore, gratis OA would not exist, for it is not OA yet. 
In other words, Gratis OA should be called free or gratis access, and Libre 
OA should be called just OA. The use of gratis and libre is given by the 
open software culture, not by OA official definitions.
That said, if a majority of researchers is using gratis OA or libre OA 
(as the mentioned Peter Suber does, for instance), I am not going to fight them 
back. I will accept what is used by the majority. But then I don't understand 
that belligerence when other terms as Platinum appear.
Second, it is true that Platinum is not official, but no one can deny 
that Gold OA journals published by universities and public research bodies at 
no cost for the author are a different thing from Gold OA journals published by 
commercial enterprises, including hybrid journals. That doesn't seem logical 
for me. It would be as calling full, hybrid and embargo journals the same OA 
with no difference among them (if hybrid and embargo journals are really OA, 
something that I doubt). You can call it OA with APC vs. subsidized OA or 
something like that, but we need a name, and Platinum doesn't seem 
inappropriate for me. Anyone has a better name?
I don't see a reason for not using a clear