Re: [GOAL] How to manage APC waivers and discounts

2019-09-12 Thread Pieper, Dirk
Dear Heather, thanks again for your comments. >Our ability to choose which venues to publish in is dependent on both the >market and our means, whether we are >discussing cars, houses, or academic >publishing. I totally agree with this. For acting rational on a market you also need

Re: [GOAL] Call for applications - International Open Access Advisory Group

2019-09-12 Thread Guédon Jean-Claude
Allow me to reply to Rob Johnson about one of his points: "navigating the many vested interests". This attitude was all too obvious in the report drafted for OpenAIRE (see the whiterose URL below) which, I understand, was strongly criticised internally within the European Commission. The reason

Re: [GOAL] Call for applications - International Open Access Advisory Group

2019-09-12 Thread Rob Johnson
Dear Jean-Claude, Heather, In haste, but thanks for flagging the concern on the NDA clause, I was aware this might be contentious, and will feed this back. Certainly there are similar transparency requirements in the UK to those you describe in Ontario, including freedom of information requests

Re: [GOAL] Call for applications - International Open Access Advisory Group

2019-09-12 Thread Heather Morrison
Thank you for pointing out the NDA clause, Jean-Claude. Copyright collectives such as CCC lobby for legislation that in effect directs $ to their members. At least this is the case in Canada where local copyright collectives believe they should have a legal right to demand that blanket

Re: [GOAL] Call for applications - International Open Access Advisory Group

2019-09-12 Thread Guédon Jean-Claude
I just would like to attract the attention of the readers of this group to the last line of the first screen of the application form (https://www.surveygizmo.eu/s3/90158934/OA-Advisory-Panel). It simply says: Some of the work carried out as part of this Group will be confidential. Therefore,

Re: [GOAL] Call for applications - International Open Access Advisory Group

2019-09-12 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
A few more points about CCC. * it is totally unregulated by external bodies. * it takes 15% of income so it has an incentive to generate as much income as possible * it is a total monopoly - there is no other org that manages rights * all the income goes to the publisher (and CCC). None to authors

Re: [GOAL] Call for applications - International Open Access Advisory Group

2019-09-12 Thread Heather Morrison
Thank you, this is helpful Peter. Confirmation or refutation by CCC and/or its publisher members would move this discussion further. One point of correction: re "CC NC and CC ND licences are treated as effectively controlled by the publisher". Creative Commons licenses are a means for

Re: [GOAL] Call for applications - International Open Access Advisory Group

2019-09-12 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
Typical example, Skimmed through Cell to the first CC - NC - ND article: DOI: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2019.05.055 Copyright © 2019 The Author(s). Published by Elsevier Inc. User LicenseCreative Commons Attribution – NonCommercial – NoDerivs (CC BY-NC-ND 4.0)

Re: [GOAL] Call for applications - International Open Access Advisory Group

2019-09-12 Thread Guédon Jean-Claude
It seems to me, Rob, that if you were aware that it "might be contentious" (), you might have also considered mentioning the fact, if only for the sake of honest transparency... Practising some analog of the caveat emptor philosophy in the field of copyright is not a good starting point.