--- Miguel Braganza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Dotor,
I missed the posting from Jorge/Livia. Was it on goanet? I did not wish to imply that corruption does not exist in India/Goa. It does. I have quoted an example myself. We do need to stick to the facts. Corruption is not an Indian/Bharati forte. Enron isn't an Indian Company, neither is Union Carbide,Cargil nor Mossanto nor Ciba Geigy. Indians did not get the contracts to re-build Iraq. Antonio Noreiga was not Indian, neither was Ortega, Papa Doc Duvalier or Aristide, not Nixon nor Kissinger. Goans are of the Indian sub-continent. They are as good, or as bad , as the other Indians. I have talked of the so-called Freedom Fighter who was very much a Goan. Ramakant Khalap, Somnath Zuarkar, Prakash Fadte, Luizinho Faleiro, Mauvin Godinho,etc are all Goans who are not famous for their honesty and integrity. We have to expose specific cases of corruption...not label a class of people. Viva Goa. Miguel ========> Dear Miguel, I agree with a lot of what you have written. Please see this post (accesible if you have Yahoo) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goa-Goans/message/15121 As you have illustrated, Indians do not hold the monopoly on Corruption which occurs all over the world. You have given very valid examples. However, I will suggest to you that there are very FEW other places in the world where One has to give BAKSHISH in order to cross the door 'guarded' by a peon, or to get a driver's license, ration card, birth certificate, passport, electricity connection, phone installation...or to have a medical / surgical procedure done sooner at a PUBLIC hospital etc. There are VERY FEW other places in the world where one has to PAY "DONATIONS" just to be admitted to to kindergarten. Remember, FEES are additional. There are VERY VERY FEW other countries where Politicians will Dine, Wine and Entertain at 1 star - 5 star facilities and expect the public to pay for it. My question to Mr. Nair was very simple.....and I ask anyone who might know the answer: WAS the Bakshish system more or less prevelant in Goa before 1961? High level white collar crime occurs in all countries...but not No Collar Bakshish like what goes on in India ( and by extension - in Goa since 1961 ) As they say Ostrich who bury head in sand - think everybody stoopidh. regards jc BTW: here is info Comedy Central's Pintobab can use - > http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/aug/28corupt.htm India among 30 most corrupt countries: Survey India ranks among the 30 most corrupt nations, according to a survey by a leading international non-government organisation. http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?artid=31583310&sType=1 Indians pay Rs 26,728 cr as bribe annually: Study - The Times of India PTI[ TUESDAY, DECEMBER 17, 2002 08:09:32 PM ] NEW DELHI: Indians spend a whopping Rs 26,728 crore annually on paying bribes with the health sector being one of the most corrupt fields, a survey conducted by a non-government organisation said. "Sadly, corruption is most rampant in those two sectors (health and education) where top priority should be given in a developing country," said Transparency India Chairman R H Tahiliani. "According to a survey among industrialists based outside the country, India ranked among 30 most corrupt nations of the world, which is not good for our economy," he said. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ########################################################################## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##########################################################################