Dear Mr.N. Krishna, BSc (Eng), DBM, DITM, PGDTQM, PGDEM, MIE, CE, MIHospE
(UK), MemASHRAE (USA), ISHRAE
Ex. Senior Scientific Officer, Bhabha Atomic Research Centre, Bombay,
I still await your clarification to my very simple question: WHAT is the
basis of the following allegation which you made in your letter to the new
CEC?
Krishna:< Sonia Gandhi ... voted in 1980, a solid three years before she
became a citizen of India >
Now, I understand your position on conversions. I strongly believe that
FORCED or COERCED conversions to any Religion, are NOT conversions. If it is
to Christianity, these individuals are certainly NOT Christians, never mind
their names, surnames or pictures hanging on the wall.
I'll add this up front here and let you respond.
It is my belief that ALL Religions have good people and bad people. People
of ALL religions have BUTCHERED others.....and that includes the Christians
with their totally unChristian and disgusting Inquisition & Hindus with
their equally vile Sati. Please also see point 5 below.
I also believe that people of ALL religions have destroyed or modified
temples, mosques, pagodas of other religions and built their own structures
on top of them. (Please read http://www.kerala.cc/keralahistory/index11.htm
onwards)
Those among us who are educated - have surely learnt NOT to fall for the CON
fed us by politicians and religious NUTS? If we haven't learnt to question
these MATLABI people, what is the use of our education and our Multiple
Diplomatosis Exponensis?
It is possible that that you do not like Sonia Gandhi because of her
Catholic faith. There are others who believe that those who NOT born in
India should NOT run for office. These people realise that Sonia, though
born in Italy, is a citizen of India - and as per the Constitution of India,
is eligible to Hold ANY office in India - as is Advani who was born in (now
Pakistan) then British India .....NOT India! If my guess is correct - many
senior BJP ministers were born in British India!
My personal position is that Sonia will make a lousy PM. She should use this
opportunity to retire in some hill station or even migrate to Rome. Visit
India every now and them - but stay far fom those corrupt Topiwallas and
equally corrupt chaddiwalas - and their respective female counterparts.
But then - it is possible that you have a problem with Christians. I hope it
is NOT because of item 8 below.
BTW: You seem to be a learned man - Could you please enlighten me WHY it was
that HINDU MEN expected HINDU WOMEN of lower caste to FLASH THEIR BREASTS as
a form of salutation?
And ...Is it possible that the one and only Janet Jackson thought that
Justin Timberlake was a Brahmin chap?
I ask because I do not know.
My points followed by the full text. courtesy
http://www.kerala.cc/keralahistory/index25.htm
don't forget to reply
jose colaco
=======================TALKING POINTS====================
1. Kerala - the most caste-ridden of all the regions of India is today the
least caste-ridden area.
2. Since the arrival of Aryan Brahmis in Kerala in the eighth century, the
society was hierarchically restructured on the principles of caste.
3. the Nairs owned most of the land and oppressed the tenants who were
mostly Muslim Mappilas, Ezhavas, Pariahs, and Pulayas.
4. Like the Medieval Catholic Church and its clergy in Europe, the upper
castes exemption from paying taxes. The Brahmins enjoyed immunity from death
penalty (&) made the laws, and applied them differently to different castes.
5. The (Hindu Brahmin) law was extremely cruel toward castes. capital
punishment took the forms of being trampled to death under an elephant,
being blown from the mouth of a cannon, by hanging which lasted for three
days, and by mutilation. (PLEASE NOTE: The premeditated and gruesome murder
in South India, of John de Britto SJ which best attests to the cruelty of
the times. Fr. Britto was dismembered and then beheaded on the 11th of
February 1693 as per the order of the Hindu Raja of the area. courtesy
http://www.colaco.net/3/VFTB-SCR.htm )
6. Occupational classes had to (provide) service for the Brahmins often
without compensation. Slavery was practiced with impunity even in the
twentieth century at least, in the form of bonded labor.
7. The proper salutation from a woman to persons of rank was to uncover the
BOSOM.
8. The Shanar women of South Travancore who became Christians began covering
their upper bodies with blouse (kuppayam) and towel like the
upper-caste-women in the 1850's; these women were persecuted for their
defiance of traditional caste law on dressing.
9. Western education provided in missionary schools created a new sense of
equality and an awareness of the injustice of caste discrimination not only
among members of the lower castes but also among members of the upper class.
FULL TEXT
http://www.kerala.cc/keralahistory/index25.htm
Social Developments
This century witnessed some most remarkable changes or revolutions on the
social scene of Kerala. This region which was the most caste-ridden of all
the regions of India is today the least caste-ridden area. However, this
volte-face did not happen all of a sudden, by means of a bloody revolution,
but gradually by means of new laws under the impact of many cultural
factors.
Since the arrival of Aryan Brahmins in Kerala in the eighth century, the
society was hierarchically restructured on the principles of caste. The
high castes enjoyed privileges and immunities: the Brahmins, the Kshatriyas
(the royal families of Kerala who were Sudra Nairs were elevated to
Kshatriya-status by the Brahmins who in turn were richly rewarded by the
ruling Kshatriya caste), and the NAIRS owned most of the land and OPPRESSED
the tenants who were mostly Muslim Mappilas, Ezhavas, Pariahs, and Pulayas.
Like the Medieval Catholic Church and its clergy in Europe, the upper castes
exemption from paying taxes; the Brahmins enjoyed immunity from death
penalty--after all, the Brahmins made the laws and applied them differently
to different castes. The law was extremely cruel toward castes; they were
sub-ject to the death penalty for offenses like theft and cow-slaughter;
capital punishment took the forms of being trampled to death under an
elephant, being BLOWN from the mouth of a cannon, by hanging which lasted
for three days (Citravadham), and by mutilation. SLAVERY was practiced with
impunity even in the twentieth century at least in the form of bonded labor.
The land owners had the power to put their slaves to death. Most tenants
could not keep milch-cows, wear fine clothes, live in tiled houses, use
metal utensils, wear gold ornaments, and travel in palanquins, trains, and
automobiles. Violators were punished by fines. There was MARRIAGE TAX for
the low castes, probably to prevent them from increasing and multiplying.
Occupational classes had to (provide) service for the Brahmins often without
compensation; their looms, oil-mills, fishing-nets, and boats were all
taxed.
The use of public highways was forbidden to outcastes, and anyone daring to
pass within POLLUTING DISTANCE of a Nair (unapproachability) would be cut
down at once; Ezhavas had to keep a distance of 32 feet from a Brahmin! Low
castes could not wear shoes and carry umbrellas in public even in heavy
rains.
The proper salutation from a woman to persons of rank was to uncover the
BOSOM.
The practice of pollution (untouchability) was widespread even to the point
that members of the lower castes had not the right to walk along the
approach roads leading to TEMPLES.
The British administration did not want to disturb the hierarchical
caste-system too fast and too radically. They gradually abolished blatant
forms of slavery. The Christian missionaries were given the responsibility
to bring about gradual social changes by means of education and conversion
of the low castes to the Christian religion -"
Christians were not subject to caste laws even though they too were
discriminated against.
The Shanar women of South Travancore who became Christians began covering
their upper bodies with blouse (kuppayam) and towel like the
upper-caste-women in the 1850's; these women were persecuted for their
defiance of traditional caste law on dressing. The Shanar agitation
eventually led to the Royal Proclamation of July 26, 1859, abolishing all
restrictions on covering the upper parts of the body by Shanar women.
Western education provided in missionary schools created a new sense of
equality and an awareness of the injustice of caste discrimination not only
among members of the lower castes but also among members of the upper class.
Even some Brahmins like Swami Agamananda (1896-1961) of the Ramakrishna
Advaita Ashram of Kaladi were champions of the civil rights of lower castes.
The great reformers were the Nair, Chattampi Swamikal (1854-1924), and the
saintly Ezhava, Sri Narayana Guru (1854-1928). The former encouraged the
Nairs to resist Brahmin dictatorship in government, religion, and society.
The latter worked for reforms within the Ezhava community. He, too, defied
Brahmin authority and started consecrating Ezhava temples and Ezhava priests
all over Kerala. He preached and practiced the ideal: "One caste, one
religion, -airi- one God". To organize the Ezhavas and to achieve social
reforms, Narayana Guru founded the organization: Sri Narayana Dharma
Paripalana Yogam (SNDP) in 1903.
Primarily, the reformers wanted an end to untouchabiiity by opening not only
the approach roads of temples to the avarna (low-caste) Hindus but also the
doors of the temple to the a yarn as or Harijans, as Mahatma Gandhi called
them. The Vaikom Satyagraha (1924-25) and the Guruvayoor Satyagraha
(1931-32) helped create a change in public perception on untouchabiiity. As
a result, on November 12, 1936, the Maharaja of Travancore issued his famous
Temple Entry Proclamation which opened the doors of Hindu temples to Hindus
of all castes. Ten years later. Cochin and Malabar also enacted their
versions of laws on temple entry for Harijans.
The Kerala Society has come a long way since the days of the Temple Entry
Proclamation of 1936. India became independent in 1947 and a United Kerala
came into existence in 1956. With industrial revolution, planned
development, agrarian reforms, labor movement, and democratic government,
Brahmin supremacy has come to an end and new economic and professional
classes have emerged. The traditional Kerala Society in which land property
owned by an individual determined a person's worth and wealth has become a
thing of the past. Its place has been taken over by leadership in political
parties and political connections. Businessmen, lawyers, teachers, workers,
doctors,
engineers, aflrt" government officials, and farmers all have become pawns at
the hands of the new power-brokers of Kerala Society: the party politicians
and government ministers. They are the new royalty, the new aristocracy, the
new Brahmins.
Much has changed, but much remains the same.
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