Re: [Goanet] 25 November Real Liberation Day of Goa

2008-11-29 Thread Gilbert Lawrence
Hi Paulo, Your post on this thread was likely not aimed to be a precise history lesson. Yet to build on what I abstracted below (of your post), I would submit there is some inaccuracies in the details. Please do not take it personally. My response is perhaps a continuation of my prior post on t

Re: [Goanet] 25 November Real Liberation Day of Goa

2008-11-28 Thread Bosco D'Mello
Gilbert Lawrence wrote: Gilbert you raise some interesting issues My reading The population demographics of Goa in the mid-late 16 th century, from my reading RESPONSE: In reference to your reading, could you kindly share some references, perhaps a bibiliography that one s

[Goanet] 25 November Real Liberation Day of Goa

2008-11-27 Thread Gilbert Lawrence
Hi Paulo (or whoever may have the facts / statistics) Before the Portuguese arrived in 1510, Goa was Muslim for 163 years ("since 1347").  As you point out and would appear very likely, over this period, the Muslim rulers, "had destroyed a large number of Hindu temples and damaged Hindu traditi

Re: [Goanet] 25 November Real Liberation Day of Goa

2008-11-26 Thread J. Colaco < jc>
Hi Frederick Do advise on what basis you state that: 1: What Paulo wrote on this topic is/was spin. 2: It is a whitewash of Euro-colonialism 3: It convinces us that the Portuguese were just like the rest... *our* rulers I believe that Paulo has just jotted down the obvious. Either publish inform

Re: [Goanet] 25 November Real Liberation Day of Goa

2008-11-26 Thread Paulo Colaco Dias
r 2008 10:06 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] 25 November Real Liberation Day of Goa Okay, Paulo, Goa was conquered. So were Hyderabad, Travancore and a good chunk of modern India. What do we do about it now? Do you "unbrainwashed Goans" have any idea to remedy the situation? If not, Paulo, hold your peace! Cheers, RKN

Re: [Goanet] 25 November Real Liberation Day of Goa

2008-11-26 Thread Paulo Colaco Dias
] On Behalf Of Frederick "FN" Noronha Sent: 25 November 2008 23:09 To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! Subject: Re: [Goanet] 25 November Real Liberation Day of Goa Hi Paulo, The spin you give to your version of history is a good whitewash job for Euro-colonialism, and convinc

Re: [Goanet] 25 November Real Liberation Day of Goa

2008-11-26 Thread Radhakrishnan Nair
Okay, Paulo, Goa was conquered. So were Hyderabad, Travancore and a good chunk of modern India. What do we do about it now? Do you "unbrainwashed Goans" have any idea to remedy the situation? If not, Paulo, hold your peace! Cheers, RKN <

Re: [Goanet] 25 November Real Liberation Day of Goa

2008-11-25 Thread Frederick "FN" Noronha
Hi Paulo, The spin you give to your version of history is a good whitewash job for Euro-colonialism, and convinces us that the Portuguese were just like the rest... *our* rulers. Btw, you didn't explain how the Portuguese "conquests" of the 16th century got converted into "overseas provinces" of th

[Goanet] 25 November Real Liberation day of Goa

2008-11-25 Thread Bernado Colaco
PCD thanks for your perspective of the historical dates. In this regard a book written by dr. Bruto da Costa in his defence of Padre Chico states that various accords were signed by my cousin Poi and Afonso. BC

Re: [Goanet] 25 November Real Liberation Day of Goa

2008-11-25 Thread Bosco D'Mello
Radhakrishnan Nair wrote: Bernado, One day you'll be unmasked. Then your jokes won't be funny! RESPONSE: Unmasked??? RKN it appears you are out of the loop, again.:-) It appears you missed Bernado's photo when it was posted here. - b

Re: [Goanet] 25 November Real Liberation Day of Goa

2008-11-25 Thread Frederick Noronha [फ़रेदरिक नोरोनया]
BC, You should shift to, at least, the AD era! Do you belong to the same team as Timoja, etc? Your comment about being "kappas" continues the great Goan tradition of treating People Not Like Us with contempt and condescension, even when we can least afford it! Keep up the good work! FN 2008/11/25

Re: [Goanet] 25 November Real Liberation Day of Goa

2008-11-25 Thread Paulo Colaco Dias
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] 25 November Real Liberation Day of Goa Goans for the past 46 years have been given to believe that 19 of Dec is the 'Liberation' Day of Goa. In 1510 Afonso de Albuquerque on the behest of my cousins Timoja and Poi Liberated Goa from the Mouros.  

Re: [Goanet] 25 November Real Liberation Day of Goa

2008-11-25 Thread Santosh Helekar
--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Radhakrishnan Nair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One day you'll be unmasked. Then your jokes won't be funny! > What is there to be unmasked? Bernado is an Indian who prefers living and serving under foreign autocratic governments. He does not like democracy and self-rule

Re: [Goanet] 25 November Real Liberation Day of Goa

2008-11-25 Thread Radhakrishnan Nair
Bernado, One day you'll be unmasked. Then your jokes won't be funny! Take care, RKN Bernado Colaco wrote: > Goans for the past 46 years have been given to believe > that 19 of Dec is the 'Liberation' Day of Goa. RESPONSE: 47 not 46..are you trying to take-away a year of freedom?? Arre Bern

Re: [Goanet] 25 November Real Liberation Day of Goa

2008-11-24 Thread Bosco D'Mello
Bernado Colaco wrote: Goans for the past 46 years have been given to believe that 19 of Dec is the 'Liberation' Day of Goa. RESPONSE: 47 not 46..are you trying to take-away a year of freedom?? Arre Bernard!!! Today who knows what would have happened without the actions of Albuquerque.

[Goanet] 25 November Real Liberation Day of Goa

2008-11-24 Thread Bernado Colaco
Goans for the past 46 years have been given to believe that 19 of Dec is the 'Liberation' Day of Goa. In 1510 Afonso de Albuquerque on the behest of my cousins Timoja and Poi Liberated Goa from the Mouros.   Incidentally the day celebrates the feast of St. Catarina. Today who knows what would h