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Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- As I have said before, I find no reason to respond to personal insults, or to the many obviously biased and aggressive mischaracterizations of my views recorded in the responses to my posts on fake morality. Unbiased and impartial Goanetters who have no hostility towards me would pay no heed to some random persons emotional outbursts against me or anybody else. It is unlikely that anybody would have any sympathy for someone who demands evidence in support of unpleasant conclusions, and then turns around and demonizes the person who presents such evidence. In this post I will therefore only present factual evidence in support of my earlier statements about present day moral conflicts between religion and secular law while addressing the very few points of M. Goveia that do not contain biased distortions and personal aggression. > >Trade unions and lobbies are null and void in a >discussion of moral codes as these are not >organizations based on moral principles as the >Buddhists and Jains are. > Trade unions, lobbies and secular humanists are non-religious groups that are subject to mob psychology and herd mentality. They have their own moral codes. For example, here is the moral code of one secular humanist group: http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?sectionfiltered=main&page=affirmations Here is the moral code of one trade union group, the National Union of Journalists: http://www.nuj.org.uk/inner.php?docid=59 > >Another convenient label to hide behind. "Rational >independent thinking" can mean anything the "rational >independent thinker" wants it to be, and we would not >know what it is unless the person gets arrested. > Nonsense. A rational independent thinker uses the rational moral principle of universalizability or the utilitarian principle of the greatest good of the greatest number in arriving at all moral decisions. Rational morality was discussed in great detail by Immanuel Kant. His Critique of Practical Reason can be read here: http://philosophy.eserver.org/kant/critique-of-practical-reaso.txt > >These are fringe sects, as you surely know, not >recognized mainstream religions or moral >organizations. > The Apostle Church of God whose members were arrested has at least 50,000 members. The Northern Nigerian Muslims, The Church of Christ (Christian Science) and Jehowahs Witnesses have many more members. Also one of the largest religious groups opposes certain vaccines on the basis of the claim that they come from aborted fetuses. Here is a document stating that opposition: http://www.immunize.org/concerns/vaticandocument.htm Moreover, calling a religious group whose teachings one disagrees with, a fringe group, is a standard ploy. Making such arbitrary exceptions reveals a basic inconsistency and weakness in the moralistic position in question. Regarding some religious groups as worse than others is classic religious chauvinism. > >Can you cite any evidence that Hindus are practicing >sati and human sacrifice? > The most famous recent case of sati is that of Roop Kanwar. Here is a report on another more recent one in 2002: http://www.blonnet.com/2002/08/09/stories/2002080900090900.htm Here is a case of human sacrifice reported just a couple of weeks ago: http://www.hinduonnet.com/holnus/002200606251448.htm > >....Mormons banned polygamy over a hundred years ago? > Here is a news report on the recent prosecutions of polygamous Mormons of Hildale, Utah and Colorado City, Arizona: http://www.sltrib.com/polygamy/ci_4055713 > >Nudism, in and of itself, violates only civil laws, >not any moral code. > Nudism is part of the Digambara Jain moral code. Here is a link to an article discussing this: http://philtar.ucsm.ac.uk/encyclopedia/jainism/digam.html Here is a specific quote about the importance of nudity in their moral code: The name Digambara means literally 'clothed in the quarters of the sky' and they are called 'atmosphere-clad' or 'sky-clad.' Nudity is the main doctrinal difference between the Shvetambaras and the Digambaras. Outward appearance is seen by the Digambaras as an index of proper understanding of the doctrine. The Digambara view on ascetic nakedness was put by Aparajita in the eighth century. The true monk must be completely naked; even a loincloth is a compromise. He must abandon all possessions and be no longer subject to the social considerations of pride and shame. And to obey the vow of ahimsa, non-violence, dirty clothing must be avoided as it attracts tiny creatures which might be crushed. The naked monk must follow the example of the Jinas, who were naked. > >Can you cite any evidence of such "ritualistic >pedophilia"? > Here is a link to one of many victims accounts on Sai Babas ritualistic pedophilia: http://www.geocities.com/the_sai_critic/findings.pdf Cheers, Santosh _______________________________________________ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org