[Goanet] Nadia's divorce proceedings expose Mickky
In response to: Message: 2 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:47:18 +0530 From: Valmiki Faleiro valmikigoa...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Nadia's divorce proceedings expose Mickky Hi Valmiki, I do remember the bomb Mrs. Figueiredo, she was a very good teacher too, though sometimes we followed the movement of her short dresses more than her teachings but regarding the apple of the eye you are mistaken, it was the late a Ms. Miranda, surprisingly I do not remember Ms. Sonia, don't know how I could have missed her if she was a hottie as is being said. I do remember the reason for you being kicked out as you said, if I am not mistaken it was the fugoteos going off in the middle of a lecture, outside your window, who was it Dessai of some other male teacher ? We surely enjoyed those days in the boarding. Freddy Agnelo Fernandes The content of this electronic communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and any others who are specifically authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or otherwise placing reliance on the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful in certain legal jurisdictions. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender immediately by responding to this email and then delete it from your system. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Re: [Goanet] Nadia's divorce proceedings expose Mickky
Dear Jim, From all accounts, Sonia was/is a good teacher. Her deceased husband, Francis, was a volleyball friend from Loutulim. Unfortunately, after she was widowed, she encountered another Francisco, a.k.a. Mickky. The rest, as they say, is history, yet unfolding in Goa. Incidentally, the Times of India (Goa edition) carried a snippet in today's Balcao Banter column of a very young boy watching TV news on this story. His parents wondered aloud why the dead woman kept rat poison with her toiletries. Junior explained, Nadia must have known Mickky was also known as Mickey Mouse. Incidentally again, Sonia was not the only hottie at Loyola-Margao. She had, I believe, competition. A certain teacher, Miss Figueiredo, was the apple of the eye of a certain Principal, Rev. Castellino, SJ. Loyolites from the era on this mail list may like to throw more light on this. I cannot -- I had been kicked out both from the Loyola boarding and day school in my penultimate year for a grave act of indiscipline in April-1971. Rgds, v - Original Message - From: Jim Fernandes amigo...@att.net To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Nadia's divorce proceedings expose Mickky I speak to my sister, who is married to a gentleman from Loutolim, almost every other day. But we never brought this topic, until this morning. She started by asking, Did you know Nadia's mother? She ia a school teacher at Loyola's? I immediately knew, she was talking about the dead girl and her mother from her husband's village. At first, I said, I don't think so. But I was curious to know what her mother's name was and she said Sonia. Damn! How could I have not known her! She was my class teacher in grade 6 and taught me for at least three more years after that. Suddenly, I felt very sad and admitted to my sister, that indeed a teacher by that name taught me at Loyola's. But back then I think she was single and probably went by the last name of D'Sa. Because of the current situation, people tend to portray the family in bad light, but I am not sure who to believe. It is true that Sonia, was the hottest young teacher on the staff at the school back in late seventies/early eighties. She was a great teacher to our class, but some of us were more interested in her physique than the material she taught us. With the manufacture of testosterone kicking into our systems, we were quite nasty kids back then. I still can't believe that we are talking about the shy attractive school teacher and her daughter. What a small world! Jim F New York.
Re: [Goanet] Nadia's divorce proceedings expose Mickky
I speak to my sister, who is married to a gentleman from Loutolim, almost every other day. But we never brought this topic, until this morning. She started by asking, Did you know Nadia's mother? She ia a school teacher at Loyola's? I immediately knew, she was talking about the dead girl and her mother from her husband's village. At first, I said, I don't think so. But I was curious to know what her mother's name was and she said Sonia. Damn! How could I have not known her! She was my class teacher in grade 6 and taught me for at least three more years after that. Suddenly, I felt very sad and admitted to my sister, that indeed a teacher by that name taught me at Loyola's. But back then I think she was single and probably went by the last name of D'Sa. Because of the current situation, people tend to portray the family in bad light, but I am not sure who to believe. It is true that Sonia, was the hottest young teacher on the staff at the school back in late seventies/early eighties. She was a great teacher to our class, but some of us were more interested in her physique than the material she taught us. With the manufacture of testosterone kicking into our systems, we were quite nasty kids back then. I still can't believe that we are talking about the shy attractive school teacher and her daughter. What a small world! Jim F New York. --- On Fri, 6/4/10, Valmiki Faleiro valmikigoa...@gmail.com wrote: From: Valmiki Faleiro valmikigoa...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Nadia's divorce proceedings expose Mickky To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 10:42 AM Dear Gabe, The minister's friendship with the family did not begin with Nadia. It had started with her mother. A very sad and unfortunate tale and the less we talk, the better. Regards, v On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.targetgoa.com/newsd-Nadia-s-divorce-proceedings-expose-Mickky-388 Nadia's divorce proceedings expose Mickky 2010-06-04 A bombshell was dropped giving yet another twist to the already twisted tale of *The Minister and His Poisoned Paramour. *Both Auda Viegas of Bailancho Ekvott and Adv Aires Rodrigues grabbed media attention by reading excerpts from the written statement of Nadia's widower Winston Barreto in divorce proceedings initiated by Nadia last year. ... ...
Re: [Goanet] Nadia's divorce proceedings expose Mickky
This is irrelevant to the case in question, and I think there's no need to slander even relatives of the departed. Goa is a small place, and it is perhaps unfair to identify people in a way that gives grist to the gossip mill. As someone pointed out in this debate, there is a clear duplicity which condemns the women involved, while stays silent about the ethics of the macho male! After all, it takes two hands to clap FN Frederick Noronha +91-9822122436 +91-832-2409490
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On 7 June 2010 03:40, Frederick Noronha wrote: 1: there's no need to slander even relatives of the departed. 2: there is a clear duplicity which condemns the women involved, while stays silent about the ethics of the macho male! 3: After all, it takes two hands to clap COMMENT: Very well said, FN. While the chips should fall where they should, the slander of a person, especially one who is unable to defend himself/herself, is both unethical and disgusting. Worth noting that neither of the slandered are/were public figures. Without judging the morality of others, the only questions which should interest the general public, I submit, are the following: a: Was this a suicide, accident or homicide? b: If it was suicide, is there any evidence that it was abetted (as claimed)? c: Was this an affair between two consenting adults or was one party coerced and hence molested? If this was an affair between two consenting adults, it is none of the general public's business. As expected, Politicians and their agents will throw mud at any opponent, while pretending to be saints themselves. We saw it happen not so long ago during the impeachment proceedings of Bill Clinton. The most prominent of his accusers came tumbling down because of their own 'youthful indiscretions'. The general public would do well to avoid getting sucked in by the propagandists. These unscrupulous chaps will do anything and say anything to get what they want. And, they are quite likely to make a 180 degree turn depending upon the financial (or other) incentive. Knowing the short-attention-span of the general public, these unscrupulous will then divert the public attention by creating another salacious scene. It might also be worth remembering that while these diversions occupy Goan minds, the ghuspott relating to money, land and the environment goes on even more merrily. Perhaps, the Fourth Estate will one day ask of everyone who accuses another: Have you anything similar to declare in your own life? jc
Re: [Goanet] Nadia's divorce proceedings expose Mickky
On 7 June 2010 11:20, J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote: COMMENT: Very well said, FN. While the chips should fall where they should, the slander of a person, especially one who is unable to defend himself/herself, is both unethical and disgusting. Worth noting that neither of the slandered are/were public figures. Without judging the morality of others, the only questions which should interest the general public, I submit, are the following: a: Was this a suicide, accident or homicide? b: If it was suicide, is there any evidence that it was abetted (as claimed)? c: Was this an affair between two consenting adults or was one party coerced and hence molested? If this was an affair between two consenting adults, it is none of the general public's business jc Dear Jose, There is more than meets the eye here, conclusions could be arrived at, depending on what is percolated down from the media. It seems that it was an 'open secret' about the relationship between the Minister and his bosom buddy friend. The Minister is a public servant and his affairs and those involved therein, become public purvey. Simply put, if he sneezes - he wants us (Goa Goans) to know, and we (Goa Goans) also want to know...such is the carousel...we are all on it! There has been two sides to this...as far as Goanet postings are concerned. One painted a pic of a beautiful young girl caught up in tribulations not of her own making; the other painted a pic of some one, who was well aware of what she was entering into and was sucked like a moth to the flame. That it is no one's business - I think not...there is the broader picture - it they can do it why not, so can IPerhaps the broader spectrum of Goa Goans, are left mouth gaping. They have had so many indiscretions that they are by now quite immune to what is going on. There are many unleft questions to ponder over. That there is more than element of doubt is unquestionable - whether our Goa Police are up to the task? I think that the Goa Police will close this one with a prosecution. -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
Re: [Goanet] Nadia's divorce proceedings expose Mickky
In my view, politicians should be judged by their public service (or abysmal lack of it, as often is the case in Goa, regardless of party), their role in office, and how they take ahead the interest of the citizen ... or damage to it. Their private lives isn't particularly relevant to the public debate. It can be misleading too if we are obsessed with this aspect. Good men can make terrible political leaders, and vice versa. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I read in the *Inspirational Quote* magazine recently: Franklin D. Roosevelt is said to have been associated with crooked politicians, consulted astrologers, had two mistresses, was a chain smoker and drank eight to ten martinis a day. Winston Churchill is known to have used opium in college. Adolf Hitler, on the other hand, was a decorated war hero, a vegetarian, didn't smoke, and hadn't have any extramarital affairs! External appearances can be deceptive. As for private citizens, their mothers, ex-husbands, brothers, etc... should they be discussed and debated at all? Should we have a public trial of their morals and ethics? Should we assume guilt because their sense of priorities (or sexual ethics) don't tally with ours? I think not... FN PS: For me, it would be more interesting to hear about the dubious politics played by political quarters -- and echoed in the media -- not excluding the case of a suicide victim. Mickky's sin wasn't his queer sense of morality (a quote attributed to him: You prove that I am married twice and I will step down from the ministry. I am married only once, to Sara. I can have as many women as I want.) But the fact that he hought he could take on the powers that be, with rape capital headline-making comments, and what not. The beauty is that parties like the BJP will make use of the Micky to prop them up in power, and then cash in on the scandal with what-has-Goa-come-to comments. Meanwhile, the Congress, a party lacking in any common ideology whatsoever apart from equally inflated ambitions, will continue to settle scores with one another. The message is clear: you can get away with murder, as long as you don't rock the boat. So will we continue to have our agenda set by one political mafia exposing the other... one drug gang setting-up the other? YouTube, et al? On 7 June 2010 19:20, Valmiki Faleiro valmikigoa...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Frederick and doutorbab, It sure takes two hands to clap, as Frederick needs to tell us. So denigrate only one, because of his or her status. Easy target. That's fair. Leave the other beyond question. Or have I erred understanding Frederick's logic?
Re: [Goanet] Nadia's divorce proceedings expose Mickky
Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com wrote: [1] There is more than meets the eye here, conclusions could be arrived at, depending on what is percolated down from the media. [2] The Minister is a public servant and his affairs and those involved therein, become public purvey. == COMMENT: My dear Gabe and Valmiki, Having read your latest contributions and Frederick's response to them, it is my belief that FN has provided the most reasonable and equitable position on this matter. I address the rest of my comment to Gabe's post (quoted above) 1: I caution against arriving at any conclusion based solely on press reports...and press statements made by lawyers based upon (non-cross examined) assertions by (say) a 'dissed' husband. 2: A Minister of Govt is a public figure. The public has a right to ask him questions about the paid-job he is supposed to be doing on their behalf. His private life is nobody's business UNLESS he molests another person or otherwise breaks the law (one way by showing favouritism to his sweetie, any one connected to his sweetie or because of his relationship with his sweetie - if indeed there is a sweetie) 3: If you or anybody else can provide me with evidence that 'consensual' sexual relationships violate any law in India or even in the UK, please go ahead. If there is no violation of any law, why this out of court' hangama unless there is a political and/or personal agenda? Let the courts handle it to the best or worst of their ability. 4: The modus operandi of political hacks and other vested interests is an orchestration of a Trial by Media with the help of Innuendo and Threat. 5: This is not to say that an egregious decision by the courts or governments should not be 'taken up' by pro-bono entities or the press.but merely to invite you evaluate IF there is a trend by (as a start) revisiting the 'threat' to the Fiona MacKeown, the mother of the hapless Scarlett Keeling: a: In Britain, would the mother be able (legally) to prevent her 15 year old daughter from consenting to sex, requesting contraceptives or even demanding a termination of pregnancy? b: From your knowledge, can the 'above child' brought up in the UK .suddenly be 'controlled' by her mother upon arrival in Goa? 6: What do you think of the lawyer who accused Ms MacKeown of neglect? Is he a public servant? Can his public actions be dissected? jc
[Goanet] Nadia's divorce proceedings expose Mickky
http://www.targetgoa.com/newsd-Nadia-s-divorce-proceedings-expose-Mickky-388 Nadia's divorce proceedings expose Mickky 2010-06-04 A bombshell was dropped giving yet another twist to the already twisted tale of *The Minister and His Poisoned Paramour. *Both Auda Viegas of Bailancho Ekvott and Adv Aires Rodrigues grabbed media attention by reading excerpts from the written statement of Nadia's widower Winston Barreto in divorce proceedings initiated by Nadia last year. In his reply to her application for a divorce Aires Rodrigues read out, Barreto mentioned that she was entering into divorce proceedings at the behest of Mickky Pacheco. He spoke of how Mickky travelled to Dubai with Nadia and how he often stayed at her house in Loutolim. The statment mentioned that Mickky's liaison with Nadia found favour with her mother. Barreto's statement blames the Tourism Minister for the destruction of their marriage. COMMENT: Just a couple of days ago, the Minister stated that he didn't know why he was being harassed - that he was friendly with the Family including the estranged husband. This is on a video clip - now he will say he was misquoted, ah, that is all in a day in the life of a Goa politician! Now the Police will turn the screws on the wretched Winston and he will start to squeal and reveal all? -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
Re: [Goanet] Nadia's divorce proceedings expose Mickky
Dear Gabe, The minister's friendship with the family did not begin with Nadia. It had started with her mother. A very sad and unfortunate tale and the less we talk, the better. Regards, v On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.targetgoa.com/newsd-Nadia-s-divorce-proceedings-expose-Mickky-388 Nadia's divorce proceedings expose Mickky 2010-06-04 A bombshell was dropped giving yet another twist to the already twisted tale of *The Minister and His Poisoned Paramour. *Both Auda Viegas of Bailancho Ekvott and Adv Aires Rodrigues grabbed media attention by reading excerpts from the written statement of Nadia's widower Winston Barreto in divorce proceedings initiated by Nadia last year. In his reply to her application for a divorce Aires Rodrigues read out, Barreto mentioned that she was entering into divorce proceedings at the behest of Mickky Pacheco. He spoke of how Mickky travelled to Dubai with Nadia and how he often stayed at her house in Loutolim. The statment mentioned that Mickky's liaison with Nadia found favour with her mother. Barreto's statement blames the Tourism Minister for the destruction of their marriage. COMMENT: Just a couple of days ago, the Minister stated that he didn't know why he was being harassed - that he was friendly with the Family including the estranged husband. This is on a video clip - now he will say he was misquoted, ah, that is all in a day in the life of a Goa politician! Now the Police will turn the screws on the wretched Winston and he will start to squeal and reveal all? -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
