Re: [Goanet] On conflicts over Conflict of Interest
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote: In this thread, nobody has called into question Dean's integrity, or his desire to do good by Goa, or his service for the good of Goa. I have myself met him briefly on a couple of occasions and he came across as a genteel person (in very stark contrast to the coarse, crude, foul-mouthed moi). If the usual suspects still don't get it, I can arrange to send over a qualified proctologist for a thorough flushing, oil change and tune-up. r, I am glad that you can clearly identify who has the clean plumbing and who has the foul stuff. I am astounded that you even know what the remedy is. Now, if you know you are full of the crude and coarse stuff, why don't you take own advice and get your system cleaned up? Mervyn3.0 __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
Re: [Goanet] On conflicts over Conflict of Interest
Folks, Those in who attended the convention in Toronto heard Dean D'Cruz explain: 1) He had come to the conference on his own expense 2) He prepared his side show clearly showing what the original SEZ plans were and what they would have been after the land grab. 3) That he was aware that maybe the reason he was appointed to the regional plan committee was because some wanted to soften his resistance to the plan. 4) The ecological and environmental dangers of mining in Goa, and how the water table is going to get devastated. 5) How his business and that of other architects in Goa are booming and how Goan architects do not want the high density development projects. I could go on and on. It is difficult to convince someone on the web on the genuineness of a person they have not met. After listening to Dean's presentation, it was very easy to see that the man is genuinely concerned about Goa and the un-regulated development. The first part of Dean's presentation was an artistic view of the projects he has developed throughout India and samples of where he has got the inspiration from. For example, he designed furniture in the shape of mango leaves for a hotel project that had three mango trees in the main courtyard. The man does not require projects in Goa for his business to carry on. He already has ample work in the rest of India. The second part of his presentation was how the unregulated projects in Goa are going to destroy the environment. He also showed the projects, and the sucess of the garbage projects that are going on in his native village of Saligon. The faster his work is on the net, the easier it is going to be for people to understand the devastation going on in Goa. I will also add here that Dean presented Rajan Parrikars video although I was not there to see it. I had seen Rajan's presentation earlier on the net and was attending another presentation when Dean was showing Rajan's work. Lastly, right to the last few days we were under the impression that Rajan Parrikar would be personally presenting his video at the convention. That did not happen. Whatever the reasons were, I suggest that people take a careful look at both Dean's and Rajan's presentations. What is going on now is nothing less than the rape of Goa. Mervyn3.0 - Original Message From: Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:41:53 AM Subject: [Goanet] On conflicts over Conflict of Interest To Goanet - I have received a couple of private emails saying what a great guy Dean D'Cruz is. Dean may well be a prince among men, he may well prefer Cheerios for breakfast, and he may well know Bach's Fugues inside out. But all that is completely irrelevant. In situations involving potential conflict of interest, it is proper to recuse oneself. This is a general principle, and should apply to everyone. As a practicing architect, it is a legitimate question to ask how the Regional Plan will benefit his business. The same should be asked of Ritu Prasad. If the consensus tomorrow is (for argument's sake) that all construction in Goa should be frozen for 5 years so that we can assess and reverse the damage, would an architect who will see a dramatic drop in his or her earnings support it? These are not issues you want a member of the Task Force wrestling with. Therefore, I say - Dean, Ritu Prasad and all the other practicing architects should step aside and not participate in policy-making. There are many other ways one can remain involved in saving Goa's environment if that is what one desires. Warm regards, r __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
Re: [Goanet] On conflicts over Conflict of Interest
--- On Thu, 7/31/08, Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lastly, right to the last few days we were under the impression that Rajan Parrikar would be personally presenting his video at the convention. That did not happen. Whatever the reasons were, I suggest that people take a careful look at both Dean's and Rajan's presentations. What is going on now is nothing less than the rape of Goa. --- Dear Mervyn, When I attended the Goan festival in the UK, bang in the middle was a stall selling, yes you guessed it, not chorizos but real estate and flats in Goa. He was also on the look-out for people selling their properties in Goa. He had several projects going on at the moment, some in Merces. I asked him about the agitations in Goa. He blithely replied that it didn't bother him. That it was only in limited cased where permissions etc were not in order. Whether it is selling to NRIs or outsiders, whether it is mega projects with swimming pools or ugly RCC structures, the degradation of Goa's environment is going to continue unabated unless there is a concerted effort to bring in blanket and stringent conservation laws. Dean and I have a close friend in common. Dean's reputation and resolve are stellar and I have no idea why we are even debating it on Goanet. First, they hacked Oscar Rebello's integrity and now Dean's is under scrutiny. Why must we indulge in such mud-slinging over the internet, when these men have put their lives on hold to do something concrete for Goa. What is the purpose of all this? I don't get it. selma
Re: [Goanet] On conflicts over Conflict of Interest
-Original Message- From: Carvalho Dean's reputation and resolve are stellar and I have no idea why we are even debating it on Goanet. Why must we indulge in such mud-slinging over the internet, when these men have put their lives on hold to do something concrete for Goa. What is the purpose of all this? I don't get it. RESPONSE: This is not just about Dean. Perhaps, we should classify this activity as a characteristic of the Goan psyche - throw enough mud and hope it sticks - matters little if it is Bostiao, Caitan or Juze, Carmen, Florin or Libru..do what you do for Goa and Goans, there will always be another Goan waiting besides a pile of mud to smear you with innuendo. And ofcourse, the hyper-active Goan grapevine mostly resists dispensing the positives among us. Viva Goenkars!! Viva Goa!! - Bosco On the road, heading south!!
Re: [Goanet] On conflicts over Conflict of Interest
To Goanet - The usual suspects have once demonstrated their usual reading and comprehension problems. So here, let me slow it down. In this thread, nobody has called into question Dean's integrity, or his desire to do good by Goa, or his service for the good of Goa. I have myself met him briefly on a couple of occasions and he came across as a genteel person (in very stark contrast to the coarse, crude, foul-mouthed moi). If the usual suspects still don't get it, I can arrange to send over a qualified proctologist for a thorough flushing, oil change and tune-up. Warm regards, r
Re: [Goanet] On conflicts over Conflict of Interest
2008/8/1 Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If the usual suspects still don't get it, I can arrange to send over a qualified proctologist for a thorough flushing, oil change and tune-up. Proctologist? I hear there's one unemployed around the House of Lords these days! FN
[Goanet] On conflicts over Conflict of Interest
To Goanet - I have received a couple of private emails saying what a great guy Dean D'Cruz is. Dean may well be a prince among men, he may well prefer Cheerios for breakfast, and he may well know Bach's Fugues inside out. But all that is completely irrelevant. In situations involving potential conflict of interest, it is proper to recuse oneself. This is a general principle, and should apply to everyone. As a practicing architect, it is a legitimate question to ask how the Regional Plan will benefit his business. The same should be asked of Ritu Prasad. If the consensus tomorrow is (for argument's sake) that all construction in Goa should be frozen for 5 years so that we can assess and reverse the damage, would an architect who will see a dramatic drop in his or her earnings support it? These are not issues you want a member of the Task Force wrestling with. Therefore, I say - Dean, Ritu Prasad and all the other practicing architects should step aside and not participate in policy-making. There are many other ways one can remain involved in saving Goa's environment if that is what one desires. Warm regards, r
[Goanet] On conflicts over Conflict of Interest
Rajan writes: To Goanet - I have received a couple of private emails saying what a great guy Dean D'Cruz is. Dean may well be a prince among men, he may well prefer Cheerios for breakfast, and he may well know Bach's Fugues inside out. But all that is completely irrelevant. In situations involving potential conflict of interest, it is proper to recuse oneself. This is a general principle, and should apply to everyone. As a practicing architect, it is a legitimate question to ask how the Regional Plan will benefit his business. The same should be asked of Ritu Prasad. If the consensus tomorrow is (for argument's sake) that all construction in Goa should be frozen for 5 years so that we can assess and reverse the damage, would an architect who will see a dramatic drop in his or her earnings support it? These are not issues you want a member of the Task Force wrestling with. Therefore, I say - Dean, Ritu Prasad and all the other practicing architects should step aside and not participate in policy-making. There are many other ways one can remain involved in saving Goa's environment if that is what one desires. Warm regards, Rajan, I agree with you about what you said as a general principle, but there can be exceptions to the rule. Even with zero business from Goa, Dean can make enough money with business from outside Goa. In fact, I believe it is our privilege that Dean is in Goa. He doesnt need Goa, so much as Goa needs Dean. Do you have evidence that Dean has used his position in the task force to further his business? regards, Samir
Re: [Goanet] On conflicts over Conflict of Interest
I totally and absolutely agree to what Rajan has put down. In other words what it means is: If you are a part of the problem, you cannot be included in the team that is seeking the solutions to that problem. Period. More Wrong have been done with 'Very Good Intensions' Take the example of the first of the kind event hosted by Citizens' [Of Goa] Initiative. To attempt to solve the dilema that GU is in, whether to go Central or not. (If you have noticed the apostrophy's placement as against before, the credit goes to Cecil Pinto who brought it to my notice) If this Initiative was a political one, it would be a failure, since it is apparent that the problems GU is facing are more of the political interference than academic. People at large have seen through politics ( as it has been played since 1961) and polticians. As the very first convenor of this Initiative, I have made sure that politics has been removed from this discussion, and therefore academics agreed to come forward to participate. Just one such meeting can neither bring total understanding nor take a decision. Therefore, as was intended, putting the 'motion' to vote would be foolhardy. It has been wisely decided by the academics themselves that there should be more serious discussions on this aspect so that the citizens of Goa can come to a safe decision after evaluating the pros and cons. One thing that Goa Su-Raj Party which I head as its Founding President and its present General Secretary is that it will not only re-instate the GU to full autonomy. but also see that political interference is completely cauterized, to the extent that even Students bodies and their elections will not be faught on political party lines. Therefore groups like ABVP etc will be banned from the University Campus. In plain language, Goa Su-Raj is in reality the CITIZENS' [OF GOA] INITIAVE and if anyone has reservations about this, then I would like to know. Check out all the reports appearing in today's newspapers i.e. TOI, Herald, GT, Tarun Bharat, Pudhari, to talk of a few to see if the name of Floriano Lobo is seen anywhere ( I am not sure about the vernaculars though). My name is connected to politics and it is not liked and therefore not reported. But I am the proudest man today because I was given the opportunity to organize the Citizens' [of Goa] Initiative's first event. May this movement go forth and multiply to take stock of other irritants that Goa is suffering today from, such as the mega projects, the Regional Plan 2011, the sanitation and garbage problems, the political exigencies to defraud Goa and Goans, the infrastructure development lethargy, the emptying of our river and sea beds of juvenile fish and decimating the fish spawning shell fish prefered environments, not forgetting the bleeding problem of mining, and in general, the visionless governance that is dished out on a very short term basis. There is the acute need to address these ills at the CITIZENS' INITIATIVE level by bringing in politics that will serve towards these ends. To my mind, the CITIZENS' INITIATIVE will only succeed if the good citizens are ready to pay for this initiative. And this is the very reason that I have told yesterday's gathering that they were not the invitees, not the guests, but the 'hosts' themselves who will defray the costs of the event by dropping some spare change in the collection box. As Miguel rightly said, the event cost Rs 6000/- or there about and what was collected is not Rs. 510/- but Rs.610/- as the largest amount for the box was Rs. 100/- and it came from none other than Cecil Pinto. However, as I have announced at the venue, this is a start where citizens of Goa have, perhaps for the first time, delved into their pockets for some spare change. And if they do make a habit of this, then they will not have to rely on the moneybags who will, as they have alway done take the citizens of Goa for a jolly good ride, through appeasement and pitting them one against the other. Thank you and God bless floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: [Goanet] On conflicts over Conflict of Interest To Goanet - I have received a couple of private emails saying what a great guy Dean D'Cruz is. Dean may well be a prince among men, he may well prefer Cheerios for breakfast, and he may well know Bach's Fugues inside out. But all that is completely irrelevant. In situations involving potential conflict of interest, it is proper to recuse oneself. This is a general principle, and should apply to everyone. As a practicing architect, it is a legitimate question to ask how the Regional Plan will benefit his business. The same should be asked of Ritu Prasad. If the consensus tomorrow is (for argument's sake) that all construction in Goa should be frozen for 5 years so that we can assess and reverse the damage, would
Re: [Goanet] On conflicts over Conflict of Interest
To Goanet - Samir Kelekar wrote: Rajan, I agree with you about what you said as a general principle, but there can be exceptions to the rule. This is neither here nor there. Every politician also makes exceptions when he doles out favours to his chosen few. If we are to expect a high standard of conduct from our elected representatives and public officials, we, the citizens, must practice it first. I am sorry, I cannot make an exception for Dean, or for you, or for me. Do you have evidence that Dean has used his position in the task force to further his business? I have evidence that Dean's situation in this instance meets the criterion for conflict of interest. Architects, builders, civil engineers, contractors of building equipment, real estate brokers and suchlike - in other words, all those who potentially stand to directly benefit from construction activity, activity related to the sale of land, activities such as mining - should have no business being part of any committee formulating the Regional Plan. Warm regards, r
Re: [Goanet] On conflicts over Conflict of Interest
Likely the three stalwarts on Goanet who live there, know what is best for Goa as expressed in their opinions on this thread. Yet, I have to I disagree with the logic regarding this topic Conflict of Interest. Whom would Rajan like to see on Regional Plan committee? And what should / would their qualifications be? If the individuals are knowledgeable about the issues, in all probability they have made it their specialty; and have an interest to see the project be designed right and be successful for the benefit of all. In the long run only if a project is a win-win-win situation, will there be long-term growth and fame for ALL who participated in the committee. Would one exclude physicians from planning of a hospital because they have a vested interest in the hospital? Or would one want to use the vested interests of all parties concerned to assure that the project is a success for all? When there is a vested interest, it is important that this is public knowledge. This specially applies to members of the Task Force to know the conflict of interest (and factor that in) when listening to those with the interest. At best, the person with the conflict should not cast a vote on the issue which (specifically) affects them personally. In the example that Rajan cites, the solution may be: To design and construct properly rather than freeze (construction for 5 years); which perhaps may be the response of an individual that is short-sighted or unwise or undiscerning and serves on the committee becasue all the experts are excluded. Some of the people who fit this bill are policitians who are only looking at the next election. I personally would want all members of the Task Force wrestle with solutions satisfactory to all parties concerned. Regards, GL -- Floriano I totally and absolutely agree to what Rajan has put down. In other words what it means is: If you are a part of the problem, you cannot be included in the team that is seeking the solutions to that problem. Period. - Samir Kelekar Rajan, I agree with you about what you said as a general principle, but there can be exceptions to the rule. Even with zero business from Goa, Dean can make enough money with business from outside Goa. In fact, I believe it is our privilege that Dean is in Goa. He doesnt need Goa, so much as Goa needs Dean. Do you have evidence that Dean has used his position in the task force to further his business? - Rajan writes: In situations involving potential conflict of interest, it is proper to recuse oneself. This is a general principle, and should apply to everyone. As a practicing architect, it is a legitimate question to ask how the Regional Plan will benefit his business. The same should be asked of Ritu Prasad. If the consensus tomorrow is (for argument's sake) that all construction in Goa should be frozen for 5 years so that we can assess and reverse the damage, would an architect who will see a dramatic drop in his or her earnings support it? These are not issues you want a member of the Task Force wrestling with.
