Re: [Goanet] Fake quotes - Stale advice instead of action

2006-09-04 Thread Mario Goveia

* G * O * A * N * E * T  C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S *

Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May
 There is no better, value for money, guest house.
  Confirm your bookings early or miss-out

  Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation.

 --- Frederick \FN\ Noronha

  Now, how about giving up on flogging this dead
  horse, since were're actually getting no-where on
  it?
 
--- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Frederick,
 
 Forgive me for being direct with you. Instead of
 dispensing stale advice and cliches, how about
 enforcing the existing Goanet rules?
 
 When is the last time you have suspended or expelled
 anybody for repeatedly violating them?
 
 If my views and posts violate the rules, please kick
 me out? I for one will not complain. This is a
 moderated forum where the moderators are supposed to
 be in charge. Don't worry about being accused of
 censorship. Please have some courage for a change. 
 Why are you wasting time trying to be fair to
 everybody? You may think you are fair, but in a
 lop-sided world there is no fairness. Habitual
 violators of the rules will always get away if the
 moderators are weak. So please have the courage to
 kick me out.
 
Mario observes:

Fred,
Actually flogging this dead horse is resulting in the
much needed exposure of some tendencies that many
Goanet members of the silent majority variety have
apparently been chafing under for quite sometime now. 
To wit, the unprovoked attacks on Christian and other
religious beliefs of many Goanet members by a small
coterie of aggressive atheists and agnostics and moral
relativists determined to ridicule and denigrate
organized religion sometimes using scurrilous methods
in order to do so.

We have seen this in the recent attempt to show that
the moral codes of organized morally based groups are
fake, the shrill attempts to prove that Hitler was
a staunch Catholic in good standing by a member who
claims to be a Catholic but is on record as being
unable to even recognize the attacks on religion or
the rock solid Catholic moral codes, the attempts to
prove that the Vatican was complicit in Nazi
atrocities, and the slyly worded flame baits using
alleged provocations that had nothing to do with
what anyone on Goanet had opined or any discussion
that was taking place on Goanet.

Then we see curious and comical attempts to deflect
attention towards alleged rule violations by other
members and objections to the moderators ...trying to
be fair to everybody.

We all know that Santosh is being disingenious when he
says without qualification, If my views and posts
violate the rules, please kick me out  We all know
that he does not habitually violate the rules. 
Neither do other members habitually violate the
rules.  However, my impression is that the moderators
have been more than generous in interpreting Santosh's
posts to the chagrin of other members. 

Therefore, Santosh is correct that the moderators need
to be more consistent and firm in applying the rules
equally TO ALL MEMBERS.  I also think they should
explain a rejection in more detail which gives a
member the opportunity to edit their post and
re-submit it.

I don't think anyone seriously wants Santosh or anyone
else kicked off an open public forum like Goanet. 
Even his leadership role in denigrating religion is
part of free speech as far as I'm concerned, as long
as others are allowed to respond.  I think it would
suffice if any open flame baits, no matter whom they
come from, especially ones that are allegedly provoked
by events outside the opinions and discussions on
Goanet, are more closely scrutinized.
  
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Re: [Goanet] Fake quotes - Stale advice instead of action

2006-09-03 Thread Santosh Helekar

* G * O * A * N * E * T  C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S *

Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May
 There is no better, value for money, guest house.
  Confirm your bookings early or miss-out

  Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation.

--- Frederick \FN\ Noronha
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Now, how about giving up on flogging this dead
 horse, since were're actually getting no-where on
it?


Frederick,

Forgive me for being direct with you. Instead of
dispensing stale advice and cliches, how about
enforcing the existing Goanet rules?

When is the last time you have suspended or expelled
anybody for repeatedly violating them?

If my views and posts violate the rules, please kick
me out? I for one will not complain. This is a
moderated forum where the moderators are supposed to
be in charge. Don't worry about being accused of
censorship. Please have some courage for a change. 
Why are you wasting time trying to be fair to
everybody? You may think you are fair, but in a
lop-sided world there is no fairness. Habitual
violators of the rules will always get away if the
moderators are weak. So please have the courage to
kick me out.

Cheers,

Santosh 
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