Re: [Goanet] Perspective on Indian and Pakistani Muslims in UK

2006-08-18 Thread Nasci Caldeira
--- "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe > In some cases, relations between Europeans and > Muslims are tense > today, causing growing racism and xenophobia from > both sides. During > the half-century before World War II, religi

Re: [Goanet] Perspective on Indian and Pakistani Muslims in UK

2006-08-17 Thread Frederick \"FN\" Noronha
On 17/08/06, Sachin Phadte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the valuable comments that Elisabeth offers, there is one that struck me > somewhat odd, which is: "It is perhaps the inherent religious chauvinism of > host countries that makes Muslims feel disenfranchised when they > emmigrate." > If

Re: [Goanet] Perspective on Indian and Pakistani Muslims in UK

2006-08-17 Thread Sachin Phadte
In the valuable comments that Elisabeth offers, there is one that struck me somewhat odd, which is: "It is perhaps the inherent religious chauvinism of host countries that makes Muslims feel disenfranchised when they emmigrate." If this be correct, then surely other religious migrants like B

Re: [Goanet] Perspective on Indian and Pakistani Muslims in UK

2006-08-17 Thread Sachin Phadte
In his message, Eugene said: "Articles on why South Asian youths feel frustrated in England because of lesser job opportunities and ready acceptance into English society have appeared in many sociological journals." Perhaps we can get a summary of the reasons for the frustration from someone w

Re: [Goanet] Perspective on Indian and Pakistani Muslims in UK

2006-08-16 Thread Mario Goveia
--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote: > > It is perhaps the inherent religious chauvinism of > host countries that makes Muslims feel > disenfranchised when they emmigrate. However, I > don't want to give this theory too much credence > either (even though it is my own theory :)), > because strange as

Re: [Goanet] Perspective on Indian and Pakistani Muslims in UK

2006-08-15 Thread Mervyn Lobo
Elisabeth Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > However, I don't want to give > this theory too much credence either (even though it > is my own theory :)), because strange as it may > seem, > home-grown terrorism has escaped America (thus far) > and America is the ultimate chauvinist when it comes

Re: [Goanet] Perspective on Indian and Pakistani Muslims in UK

2006-08-15 Thread Elisabeth Carvalho
Dear Mario and Cornel, I would just like to add a few more perspectives of my own on this subject. Shashi Tharoor in his book From Midnight to the Millennium, has a wonderful chapter on minorities in India. One of the points he make and perhaps I agree with, is that Hinduism is an all-embracing

Re: [Goanet] Perspective on Indian and Pakistani Muslims in UK/ to Dr Cornel

2006-08-14 Thread Mario Goveia
--- Elisabeth Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Gabe, > Thanks for the insight. I was watching some of the > Muslim men being interviewed and most of them seem > wary about the authenticity of the allegations. > > Elisabeth > --- > > --- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: [Goanet] Perspective on Indian and Pakistani Muslims in UK/ to Cornel

2006-08-14 Thread Mario Goveia
--- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Elisabeth > Thanks for you very interesting question about what > prompts Pakistani originating Muslims to adopt > terrorist behaviour/action, unlike the Indian > originating Muslims in London. > Mario adds: > To add to Cornel's pretty reasonable comm

Re: [Goanet] Perspective on Indian and Pakistani Muslims in UK/ to Dr Cornel

2006-08-14 Thread Gabe Menezes
On 14/08/06, Sachin Phadte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you Gabe for your observations. I am told that the British government > collects data on various aspects like education, employment, etc., for > various religious and ethnic communities. Some time ago, I read in a > newspaper in India th

Re: [Goanet] Perspective on Indian and Pakistani Muslims in UK/ to Dr Cornel

2006-08-14 Thread Sachin Phadte
Thank you Gabe for your observations. I am told that the British government collects data on various aspects like education, employment, etc., for various religious and ethnic communities. Some time ago, I read in a newspaper in India that the British born citizens orignating from Pakistan comp

Re: [Goanet] Perspective on Indian and Pakistani Muslims in UK/ to Cornel

2006-08-13 Thread Bosco D'Mello
NRI teen held in terror plot link [ 14 Aug, 2006 0308hrs ISTTIMES NEWS NETWORK & AGENCIES ] BEW DELHI/LONDON: The teenage son of a Muslim immigrant from India and a suspected Al-Qaida leader in Britain are among the 24 people arrested in connection with the foiled plot to blow up the US-bound

Re: [Goanet] Perspective on Indian and Pakistani Muslims in UK

2006-08-13 Thread Eugene Correia
As for Elizabeth's query regarding Muslim feeling "defranchized", a new novel Londonistani by Guatam Malkani provides some insight into the Muslim youth culture in UK. Articles on why South Asian youths feel frustrated in England because of lesser job opportunities and ready acceptance into English

Re: [Goanet] Perspective on Indian and Pakistani Muslims in UK/ to Dr Cornel

2006-08-13 Thread Elisabeth Carvalho
Hi Gabe, Thanks for the insight. I was watching some of the Muslim men being interviewed and most of them seem wary about the authenticity of the allegations. Elisabeth --- --- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Muslim Members of Parliament along with Muslim > mem

Re: [Goanet] Perspective on Indian and Pakistani Muslims in UK/ to Cornel

2006-08-13 Thread cornel
Hi Elisabeth Thanks for you very interesting question about what prompts Pakistani originating Muslims to adopt terrorist behaviour/action, unlike the Indian originating Muslims in London. The question is complex and I do not claim certainty about my interpretation below. However, it is an issue t

Re: [Goanet] Perspective on Indian and Pakistani Muslims in UK/ to Dr Cornel

2006-08-13 Thread Gabe Menezes
On 13/08/06, Elisabeth Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Dr Cornel, > > I am gathering some information for a project and I > was wondering if you could share with us your personal > perspective on the assimilation of the Indian and > Pakistani Muslims in the UK. > > Instead of confining t

[Goanet] Perspective on Indian and Pakistani Muslims in UK/ to Dr Cornel

2006-08-13 Thread Elisabeth Carvalho
Dear Dr Cornel, I am gathering some information for a project and I was wondering if you could share with us your personal perspective on the assimilation of the Indian and Pakistani Muslims in the UK. Instead of confining this request to a personal mail, I've put it out on Goanet, as a personal