Re: [Goanet] Destruction of Hindu Temples
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- I would agree with Marcos, Elizabeth and other like minded individuals that there is no point in discussing the issue of the destruction of Hindu temples. As long as we acknowledge the facts, there is really no need to turn back the clock or seek restitution. I think the real issue is that some self appointed defenders of the Catholic church seek to spread falsehoods about historical events, which I would tend to argue serves to further inflame passions of religious intolerance. I feel it is very important to counter such irresponsible statements immediately, for failure to do so can only foster a climate of distrust between the various religious communities. The consequences of recent inaction can only been seen in how the church as suffered as a result of its in-action in dealing with the issue of child abuse by some clergy. Decades of coverups and the failure or fear of dealing with the truth has resulted in severe financial burdens on the church, not to mention a significant loss in its credibility. The church has on many occassions played a very positive role in society, but the hard and dedicated work by the majority of its truly devoted members has been significantly diminished by the irresponsible actions and comments of a few. Marlon --- Jean & Marcos Catao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Altough a relative newcomer to GOANET and, as > such, lacking the weight > and gravitas of the many stalwarts of several > years, I would like to add my > feeble voice to endorse strongly the very sane > view point on the subject > expressed by M/s Elizabeth Carvalho and > Dr.Francisco Colaco. > Temples of one religion have been built over by > members of other religions > since times immemorial: the Romans built on Greek > sites, many Roman > churches were built on the sites of Roman pagan > temples and in the USA, > hundreds of homes have been built on the sites of > American Indian burial > grounds, more hallowed to them than churches to us > or mosques to Muslims. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list ([email protected])
[Goanet] Destruction of Hindu Temples
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Altough a relative newcomer to GOANET and, as such, lacking the weight and gravitas of the many stalwarts of several years, I would like to add my feeble voice to endorse strongly the very sane view point on the subject expressed by M/s Elizabeth Carvalho and Dr.Francisco Colaco. Temples of one religion have been built over by members of other religions since times immemorial: the Romans built on Greek sites, many Roman churches were built on the sites of Roman pagan temples and in the USA, hundreds of homes have been built on the sites of American Indian burial grounds, more hallowed to them than churches to us or mosques to Muslims. So, this is a somewhat sterile discussion that leads nowhere and can only help insufflate passions and perhaps, engender the rise of myths, like the one of the Chosen People "ordained by Divine Fiat" to possess a certain piece of land, which they therefore feel entitled to appropriate by dispossessing existing legitimate owners, driving them to misery. Let us concentrate instead on matters of import concerning our country, facing an unprecedented onslaught from occupation by outsiders in outsize numbers, etc. Hoping I do not appear too censorious, would it be possible for the editors to ensure that there is a civil discourse in discussions on any topic? and that the use of intemperate language is vetted? MARCOS GOMES CATAO _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list ([email protected])
Re: [Goanet] Destruction of Hindu temples and replaced byCatholicChurches
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Mario Your response below relating to the temple/church discussion confirms for me that you definitely have a comprehension problem over a straightforward open question. Secondly, I reiterate absolutely that there is no such thing as "true knowledge." I provided two separate very reasoned explanations about this issue for you and all on Goanet but unfortunately Goanet has not yet been able to transmit my posts. I understand that this is because it has to give priority to posts more directly related to Goa. However, I am in no hurry to press my point about the non existence of "true knowledge." The world's trained and educated scientific community would be wholly in agreement with this position. Cornel - Original Message - From: "Mario Goveia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Destruction of Hindu temples and replaced byCatholicChurches --- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mario I definitely made no claim that I was in any way certain that Hindu temples were destroyed for Catholic churches to be built over them. To say I had read about this is not to make a claim. Are you experiencing some difficulty in comprehension? Mario replies: For an adult whose comprehension of the world is such that you can say with utmost conviction, "...one would even be pressed very hard to refer to anything in science as "true knowledge." I can see that one would be pressed very hard to say that anything is true, or not true. BTW, why did you ask in such detail on June 15, "Do you accept or do not accept from whatever hard evidence you can garner, that Hindu temples were destroyed in Goa and that a number of Catholic churches, were built instead, on roughly the same sites where the temples were destroyed?" This sure sounded as if you "accepted" what you were asking _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list ([email protected])
Re: [Goanet] Destruction of Hindu temples and replaced by CatholicChurches
--- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mario > I definitely made no claim that I was in any way > certain that Hindu temples were destroyed for > Catholic churches to be built over them. To say I > had read about this is not to make a claim. > Are you experiencing some difficulty in > comprehension? > Mario replies: > For an adult whose comprehension of the world is such that you can say with utmost conviction, "...one would even be pressed very hard to refer to anything in science as "true knowledge." I can see that one would be pressed very hard to say that anything is true, or not true. > BTW, why did you ask in such detail on June 15, "Do you accept or do not accept from whatever hard evidence you can garner, that Hindu temples were destroyed in Goa and that a number of Catholic churches, were built instead, on roughly the same sites where the temples were destroyed?" > This sure sounded as if you "accepted" what you were asking. > _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list ([email protected])
[Goanet] Destruction of Hindu temples and replaced by
Hi Cornel, I will assume that the following is the British way of saying, "I stand corrected".:=)) Now if we can only get the other Goan anti-Catholics on the same page as you, I will have done my "missionary work". Pray, please tell us where do you keep reading this Goan anti-Catholic propaganda? Kind Regards, GL --- cornel wrote: I definitely made no claim that I was in any way certain that Hindu temples were destroyed for Catholic churches to be built over them. To say I had read about this is not to make a claim. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list ([email protected])
Re: [Goanet] Destruction of Hindu temples and replaced by CatholicChurches
Mario I definitely made no claim that I was in any way certain that Hindu temples were destroyed for Catholic churches to be built over them. To say I had read about this is not to make a claim. Are you experiencing some difficulty in comprehension? Cornel - Original Message - From: "Mario Goveia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Destruction of Hindu temples and replaced by CatholicChurches --- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Do you accept or do not accept from whatever hard evidence you can garner, that Hindu temples were destroyed in Goa and that a number of Catholic churches, were built instead, on roughly the same sites where the temples were destroyed? Mario replies: Based on the rumors I have heard, almost every conquering force did such things in the past, not just Christian-fascists like the Portuguese of the heinous Inquisition era. However, I have not tried to garner any such evidence, do not have access to any such evidence, and really do not care whether it happened or not. It is up to those like yourself who make such wild inflammatory claims to support their claims with relevent evidence when challenged. I did not make any claim one way or the other. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list ([email protected])
Re: [Goanet] Destruction of Hindu temples and replaced by Catholic Churches
--- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Do you accept or do not accept from whatever hard > evidence you can garner, that Hindu temples were > destroyed in Goa and that a number of Catholic > churches, were built instead, on roughly the same > sites where the temples were destroyed? > Mario replies: > Based on the rumors I have heard, almost every conquering force did such things in the past, not just Christian-fascists like the Portuguese of the heinous Inquisition era. However, I have not tried to garner any such evidence, do not have access to any such evidence, and really do not care whether it happened or not. > It is up to those like yourself who make such wild inflammatory claims to support their claims with relevent evidence when challenged. I did not make any claim one way or the other. > However, I did provide evidence that it has happened in Lahore just recently, when a Hindu temple was demolished and replaced by a temple of commerce. > Cornel writes: > > This may possibly be a religious matter for you but > I definitely do not need a sermon. Just give me the > shortest, and most succinct answer you can manage > please. > Mario replies: > Was the sermao above succinct enough for you?:-)) > _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list ([email protected])
[Goanet] Destruction of Hindu temples and replaced by Catholic Churches
Hi Mario I have heard all you said on this topic, but amidst the verbiage, want to be clear about just one thing: Do you accept or do not accept from whatever hard evidence you can garner, that Hindu temples were destroyed in Goa and that a number of Catholic churches, were built instead, on roughly the same sites where the temples were destroyed? This may possibly be a religious matter for you but I definitely do not need a sermon. Just give me the shortest, and most succinct answer you can manage please. Cornel _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list ([email protected])
