Re: [Goanet] Re: PROVIDE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE RATHER THAT RESERVATIONS
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Does poverty and caste really have such a strong congruence? What about a low cast person who has the means and a supposedly high cast person who does not? Why not simplify the whole process and base aid solely on financial need? Why do we need to add a dependent variable (or mathematically speaking a non orthogonal variable) into this argument? Stated in other words, the cast factor is built into the financial need variable. Marlon --- Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not? I fail to understand the logic of this BJP-inspired argument. When poverty and caste has such a close congruence in our part of the world, why can't caste be used as the determining factor? The equivalent of this argument would be: arguments in court should be allowed only to those who have a logical mind, but should never be restricted to a profession (e.g. lawyers)! _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re: PROVIDE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE RATHER THAT RESERVATIONS
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Fausto, I applaud Mr. Noronha's desire for stability and justice, but I'm not sure how he proposes to achieve this or develop the Shakespeares and Einsteins he is looking for among Indians disadvanted by an accident of birth, simply by reserving so many seats for them. Does putting people currently having lower intellectual abilities into the same highly competitive educational environment as people with higher intellectual abilities help them, or does it destroy their self-worth when most of them discover that they cannot compete. I'm not talking about innate desire and abilities here, but undeveloped ones competing with highly developed ones. To truly help those who have been disadvantaged, FOR WHATEVER REASON, not just their pedigree, isn't it better to bring their knowledge base and intellectual abilities up to par in a separate setting, before throwing them into the den of wolves which the highly competitive educational system in India resembles? Why don't you give us your suggestions, which you declined to do previously? Mario --- fausto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Noronha But I do not agree that having quotas in the institutions of higher learning is the correct approach. I do have suggestions, but I will leave those for another time. I will only request you, Mr. Noronha, to find out how the majority of reserved candidates fare. A few do brilliantly I concede...but the majority... Incidentally, You must have heard (in the ET) of the kid who refused a quota seat. He did not get into IIMA, but did get into one of the better management schools. The kid says he has no regrets, he retrained his self worth. - Original Message - From: Frederick Noronha We don't know how many Shakespeares and Einstins we are killing unsung by keeping them illiterate and badly educated. The faster India offers social justice to its various groups, the better chances it has to go ahead globally. An unjust society is an unstable one. FN _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: PROVIDE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE RATHER THAn RESERVATIONS
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- LOLLYPOPS AT THE TOP, INDEED. For those who want to know how well informed one lollypop called Arjun Singh is (He is India's HRD Minister), read what he had to say on reservations when he was interviewed by a no nonsense Karan Thapar. http://www.naachgaana.com/item/2390 or http://gleez.com/articles/general/arjun-singhs-interview---india-of-our-dreams- deserves-a-better-hrd --- floriano wrote: Dear Aires, Frederick et al, The 'reservation' topic has gone a bit too far, and, if I am not mistaken, it will take the country down and out if the Supreme Court does not step in with a speedy solution. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: PROVIDE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE RATHER THAT RESERVATIONS
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Aires Rodrigues argued on Goanet: It was Babasaheb Ambedkar's vision to have a society based on liberty, equality and fraternity. After 50 years of Independence reservations seem to a problem rather than a solution. Problem? To whom? I guess those who don't benefit from this measure in a hierarchical caste-defined society are going to complain about it. Just look at the way the one-sided media barrage (against reservations) has been going on in the past few days. The politicians want it now enhanced to the IIMs and IITs. What next? Will they be pitching for reservations in the India's cricket team too? And, you might get a better cricket team! On a more serious note, you have a serious 'reservation' system running this region for generation and centuries -- where tiny elite groups control disproportionately large resources -- and when government seats are allocated to those who have an unfair handicap in an unequal race, all hell breaks loose! Reservations, if any, should be only for the economically deprived and never on the basis of caste. Why not? I fail to understand the logic of this BJP-inspired argument. When poverty and caste has such a close congruence in our part of the world, why can't caste be used as the determining factor? The equivalent of this argument would be: arguments in court should be allowed only to those who have a logical mind, but should never be restricted to a profession (e.g. lawyers)! We cannot have reservations for doctors and engineers otherwise we would be building morgues and crumbling bridges. Like other critics of pro-deprived section reservations, Aires is twisting the issue unfairly. Nobody gets reservations in exams, they only get it to join an institution. Meaning, once they're in, everyone faces the same exam. (And we also know the kind of caste-based humiliation that people have to face in institutions of higher education... you can't argue they don't deserve to be there!) Recently, the OUTLOOK magazine, known for its fairly enlightened position, had this cover story showing how some people with a Scheduled Caste/Scheduled Tribe background (the lowest of the low) had got access to higher education, and had done brilliantly at the national level and beyond. We don't know how many Shakespeares and Einstins we are killing unsung by keeping them illiterate and badly educated. The faster India offers social justice to its various groups, the better chances it has to go ahead globally. An unjust society is an unstable one. FN PS: Any views on reservations in the context of Goa? _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
