Not sure if it had been suggested, but FWIW C# would be a good
candidate.
It's not too far from VB and Mono works on Mac and Linux alike.

HTH,

Karim Yaghmour

On Oct 15, 4:16 pm, Oliver Baker <ocba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Again,
> I see your point Sam.
>
> The only problem is I can't code in C++, and the plans that I have for this
> application would go well beyond the capability of me learning within a few
> days.
>
> Also it would mean I would not be able to Bug Fix my own application for a
> while and would have to rely on others doing it for me which could be pretty
> dangerous.
>
> I don't mind you creating a C++ version of my App, at the moment I am
> creating a new GUI interface for the Application.
> I will not be able to help you create the C++ version, since I am going to
> have to start learning C++ real fast.
>
> I am going to put up some Future designs for the application including an
> example Preview of the applications dialog window in the wave 
> :https://wave.google.com/wave/?pli=1#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%25...
>  .
>
> Anyway, I will put up the current source of the application within the
> next couple of hours.
>
> I wouldn't mind this all being done in C++, but I have to be careful I start
> going into something I can't do. I don't want to ruin myself.
>
> Regards,
> Oliver Baker
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Sam Osborne 
> <sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com>wrote:
>
> > 1: Ok.
>
> > 2: No, not make my own project based on yours, help you to translate it. If
> > you turn it into C++ (which, if you can't do, I'll try to do) it'll be able
> > to run on Windows, Mac AND Linux.
> > I'd be having a look at the VB code, learn how the parts I'm not sure about
> > work and what their C++ equivalents are.
> > It's simply because of the fact that .net programs cannot be run on Mac or
> > Linux, where some Wave users are. You could TRY getting it to run on AIR,
> > but I'm not sure how that works :S
> > You may want to look at C++ For 
> > Dummies<http://samosborneonline.co.cc/Downloads/C++_For_Dummies.pdf>
>
> > 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker <ocba...@gmail.com>
>
> >> Hi Sam,
> >> *Answer to your First Question:*
>
> >> If you read the whole post you will know I have been given permission by
> >> Google to (For This Application only) Breach Condition L of  the Google 
> >> Wave
> >> Program Policy until the relative API is released by Google.
>
> >> Which means that there is no current API for what I have done.
>
> >> *Answer to your second question.*
>
> >> I am assuming that you want to create your own project based on my source
> >> code???? Seems pretty harsh Sam.
>
> >> The Main part of my application that you probably want to obtain is the
> >> part which obtains the information. When the API comes out, my applications
> >> source to you that you currently want would be near pointless
>
> >> The source will be put up on Google Code soon (Within 2-3 days) since
> >> parts of it have to be re-written. I don't mind you using my source code.
> >> But I am trusting people not to pull a fast one on me.
>
> >> Hope that answers your questions.
>
> >> Regards,
> >> Oliver Baker
>
> >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Sam Osborne <sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com
> >> > wrote:
>
> >>> Ok.. I can interpret VB.net... Ish.. Now I want to know two things:
>
> >>>    - How did you manage to get the APIs from whatever language they're
> >>>    in (Java/Python I think) to VB?
> >>>    - Where's the source? I wanna see if I can get the source, translate
> >>>    it into C++, and then get it to run in Linux..
>
> >>> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker <ocba...@gmail.com>
>
> >>>> Hi Sam,
> >>>> The Application is made in Visual Basic .net 3.5 (Yes, I am only 17,
> >>>> still studying for a Bachelors and VB is easier than C# and obviously
> >>>> C/C++).
>
> >>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Sam Osborne <
> >>>> sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> What language is it made in?
>
> >>>>> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker <ocba...@gmail.com>
>
> >>>>> Hi All,
> >>>>>> I have good news!!!
>
> >>>>>> Pamela has allowed me to continue developing and displaying my
> >>>>>> application using its current "Scrapping" method until the API comes 
> >>>>>> out.
>
> >>>>>> I have put the Application back on Google Code and will shortly be
> >>>>>> releasing an update which fixes the Proxy Authentication issue.
>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Oliver Baker
>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM, kim3er <rich...@dogma.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> Thanks for clearing that up, I was a bit taken back by the use of the
> >>>>>>> word illegal for scraping websites. I suspect that we will start to
> >>>>>>> see the nature of scraping change in the near future as websites
> >>>>>>> become the API. Pages written in valid XHTML/HTML 5 with meaningful
> >>>>>>> naming conventions (like micro formats). I don't think scraping can
> >>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>> a dirty word anymore. But I can understand the need for a company
> >>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>> Google to control where and how the bandwidth is used.
>
> >>>>>>> Rich
>
> >>>>>>> On Oct 14, 4:11 am, "pamela (Google Employee)" <pamela...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> > Sure, good point, let me clarify, though please keep in mind that
> >>>>>>> I'm not a
> >>>>>>> > lawyer...
>
> >>>>>>> > According to the Google Wave terms of use, it is not permitted to
> >>>>>>> "modify,
> >>>>>>> > adapt, translate, or reverse engineer any portion of the Service
> >>>>>>> unless
> >>>>>>> > expressly authorized". In Oliver's prototype, he essentially
> >>>>>>> reverse
> >>>>>>> > engineered the client display mechanism to extract the content. You
> >>>>>>> can read
> >>>>>>> > more of the policies at:
> >>>>>>>http://wave.google.com/help/wave/program_policies.html
>
> >>>>>>> > Once we have an API to let you programmatically extract the content
> >>>>>>> -- which
> >>>>>>> > is something we're working on -- then that API could be used to
> >>>>>>> build this
> >>>>>>> > prototype without having to reverse engineer. Another thing to
> >>>>>>> consider,
> >>>>>>> > more in the wave protocol effort, would be a client/server protocol
> >>>>>>> -- but
> >>>>>>> > things are early there at the moment.
>
> >>>>>>> > - pamela
>
> >>>>>>> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Joe Developer <
> >>>>>>> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:42 AM, pamela (Google Employee) <
> >>>>>>> > > pamela...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> > >> Hey Oliver-
> >>>>>>> > >> I responded to you offline, but will also respond here to keep
> >>>>>>> the thread
> >>>>>>> > >> in the forum.
>
> >>>>>>> > >> I assumed that was how you were doing this, but wanted to give
> >>>>>>> you a
> >>>>>>> > >> chance to explain. It is generally considered illegal to
> >>>>>>> "scrape" the HTML
> >>>>>>> > >> of webpages that do not grant explicit permission for that. That
> >>>>>>> is why
> >>>>>>> > >> webpages provide APIs- so that developers can legally use
> >>>>>>> content.
>
> >>>>>>> > >> Really? Generally considered illegal? I would appreciate a link
> >>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>> > > documents such a finding. I would imagine that google search
> >>>>>>> results would
> >>>>>>> > > be fairly sparsely populated if they could only include those
> >>>>>>> pages that
> >>>>>>> > > include explicit permission for google to scrape.
>
> >>>>>>> > > I would advise on waiting until we offer some sort of Google data
> >>>>>>> API to
> >>>>>>> > >> distribute a program like this.
>
> >>>>>>> > >> - pamela
>
> >>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Oliver Baker <
> >>>>>>> ocba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> How dare you Andrey!
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> I do not store any of your information what so ever excluding
> >>>>>>> the last
> >>>>>>> > >>> Wave server you selected.
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Any Login information you enter is immediatly put into the
> >>>>>>> Google Wave
> >>>>>>> > >>> Login page to log the application into the Google Wave login
> >>>>>>> page.
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> To enter your login details on Version 2 (Sorry I made this a
> >>>>>>> little
> >>>>>>> > >>> stupidly) you will need to left click on the Notify Icon or
> >>>>>>> right
> >>>>>>> > >>> click the icon, go into the Waves item, then click the login to
> >>>>>>> see
> >>>>>>> > >>> your waves button.
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Also, make sure you have Google Chrome Frame installed on your
> >>>>>>> > >>> computer for this to work. I am still working out the bugs.
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> On Oct 14, 10:07 am, Andrey Fedorov <anfedo...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> > >>> > Uhoh, I hope you guys are at least running antivirus as you
> >>>>>>> run exe's
> >>>>>>> > >>> you
> >>>>>>> > >>> > downloaded online?
> >>>>>>> > >>> > - Andrey
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Scott Breakall <
> >>>>>>> break...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> > >>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > I've downloaded the exe, but am I missing something?
> >>>>>>> There's nowhere
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > for me to enter my wave credentials?
>
> >>>>>>> > >>> > > ~Scott~

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