Re: [Gossip] Re: Gossip Digest, Vol 38, Issue 4
Great suggestionI like that. We'll play with search word highlighting when you browse to a page via the search results. Jeff Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 4:03 pm, barry beattie wrote: my 2c worth: just as important as decent search functionality is the ability to quickly review the results for relevance. one of the things I like about Google is the keywords being *bolded* in the search results (like mail-archive.com already does) but in using Google's "cached" link, shows the item in full with the keywords highlighted. It makes it brilliant to see the keywords in context, allowing quick scanning of the item for relevance - down to a couple of seconds. Additionally, seeing the keywords in full context is far more useful to me than some indicator saying the item has "75%" relevance... A tutorial would be helpful. can I respectfully suggest that if a tutorial is needed then it's not intuitive enough anyway? At least not without a bit of experimentation to see what makes it tick... just some polite suggestions, nothing more cheers barry.b [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Send Gossip mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Gossip digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: search library battle royale (Jeff Breidenbach) 2. Re: search library battle royale (Mac Oglesby) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 21:01:09 -0700 From: "Jeff Breidenbach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Gossip] search library battle royale To: "Mac Oglesby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I don't understand a lot of what's been said about evaluating these search engines, but I'll comment anyway. Thanks, appreciated. Much of what's been said is just me having fun. Since, for me at least, easy to use but full-featured search software is a vital part of any archive, the ideal search engine should be powerful, yet intuitive to operate, or come with good instructions. A tutorial would be helpful. That's a great point. Once we've settled on which search software to use, I promise to make sure there's a "help" link leading to some examples. In the meantime, here's some documentation from the two vendors. To my eye, they are both offer ridiculously overpowered. Kind of like monster trucks. :) PyLucene: http://lucene.apache.org/java/docs/queryparsersyntax.html. Xapian: http://www.xapian.org/docs/queryparser.html I'd like to be able to search the results of an earlier search. Here's an example of two searches. The second will return a subset of the first. "Mac Oglesby" "Mac Oglesby" AND machines Xapian even has a super fancy algorithm that tries to figure out subtopics within search results. It is way too confusing for my taste, but you can see it action below. Apparently the software thinks you are into dipleidoscopes and ebay. Are you? http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/omega/omega?P=%22Mac+Oglesby%22&DEFAULTOP=or&DB=sundial%40rrz.uni-koeln.de&FMT=query.orig&xP=Rmac.Roglesby.machin.&xDB=sundial%40rrz.uni-koeln.de&xFILTERS=--O -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 09:26:04 -0400 From: Mac Oglesby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Gossip] search library battle royale To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi Jeff, Once we've settled on which search software to use, I promise to make sure there's a "help" link leading to some examples. In the meantime, here's some documentation from the two vendors. To my eye, they are both offer ridiculously overpowered. Kind of like monster trucks. :) Thanks for your time and the examples you developed. And thanks for your promise to post a help link. Please keep in mind that when those of you who already know a process try to explain it to those of us who don't, the result, far too often, is about as clear as mud. Xapian even has a super fancy algorithm that tries to figure out subtopics within search results. It is way too confusing for my taste, but you can see it action below. Apparently the software thinks you are into dipleidoscopes and ebay. Are you? http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/omega/omega?P=%22Mac+Oglesby%22&DEFAULTOP=or&DB=sundial%40rrz.uni-koeln.de&FMT=query.orig&xP=Rmac.Roglesby.machin.&xDB=sundial%40rrz.uni-koeln.de&xFILTERS=--O Well, just about everyone is into eBay. And if you aren't into dipleidoscopes yet, what's holding you
[Gossip] Re: Gossip Digest, Vol 38, Issue 4
my 2c worth: just as important as decent search functionality is the ability to quickly review the results for relevance. one of the things I like about Google is the keywords being *bolded* in the search results (like mail-archive.com already does) but in using Google's "cached" link, shows the item in full with the keywords highlighted. It makes it brilliant to see the keywords in context, allowing quick scanning of the item for relevance - down to a couple of seconds. Additionally, seeing the keywords in full context is far more useful to me than some indicator saying the item has "75%" relevance... >A tutorial would be helpful. can I respectfully suggest that if a tutorial is needed then it's not intuitive enough anyway? At least not without a bit of experimentation to see what makes it tick... just some polite suggestions, nothing more cheers barry.b [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Send Gossip mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://jab.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gossip or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Gossip digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: search library battle royale (Jeff Breidenbach) 2. Re: search library battle royale (Mac Oglesby) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 21:01:09 -0700 From: "Jeff Breidenbach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Gossip] search library battle royale To: "Mac Oglesby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I don't understand a lot of what's been said about evaluating these search engines, but I'll comment anyway. Thanks, appreciated. Much of what's been said is just me having fun. Since, for me at least, easy to use but full-featured search software is a vital part of any archive, the ideal search engine should be powerful, yet intuitive to operate, or come with good instructions. A tutorial would be helpful. That's a great point. Once we've settled on which search software to use, I promise to make sure there's a "help" link leading to some examples. In the meantime, here's some documentation from the two vendors. To my eye, they are both offer ridiculously overpowered. Kind of like monster trucks. :) PyLucene: http://lucene.apache.org/java/docs/queryparsersyntax.html. Xapian: http://www.xapian.org/docs/queryparser.html I'd like to be able to search the results of an earlier search. Here's an example of two searches. The second will return a subset of the first. "Mac Oglesby" "Mac Oglesby" AND machines Xapian even has a super fancy algorithm that tries to figure out subtopics within search results. It is way too confusing for my taste, but you can see it action below. Apparently the software thinks you are into dipleidoscopes and ebay. Are you? http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/omega/omega?P=%22Mac+Oglesby%22&DEFAULTOP=or&DB=sundial%40rrz.uni-koeln.de&FMT=query.orig&xP=Rmac.Roglesby.machin.&xDB=sundial%40rrz.uni-koeln.de&xFILTERS=--O -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 09:26:04 -0400 From: Mac Oglesby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Gossip] search library battle royale To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi Jeff, Once we've settled on which search software to use, I promise to make sure there's a "help" link leading to some examples. In the meantime, here's some documentation from the two vendors. To my eye, they are both offer ridiculously overpowered. Kind of like monster trucks. :) Thanks for your time and the examples you developed. And thanks for your promise to post a help link. Please keep in mind that when those of you who already know a process try to explain it to those of us who don't, the result, far too often, is about as clear as mud. Xapian even has a super fancy algorithm that tries to figure out subtopics within search results. It is way too confusing for my taste, but you can see it action below. Apparently the software thinks you are into dipleidoscopes and ebay. Are you? http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/omega/omega?P=%22Mac+Oglesby%22&DEFAULTOP=or&DB=sundial%40rrz.uni-koeln.de&FMT=query.orig&xP=Rmac.Roglesby.machin.&xDB=sundial%40rrz.uni-koeln.de&xFILTERS=--O Well, just about everyone is into eBay. And if you aren't into dipleidoscopes yet, what's holding you back?;-) It's almost frightening how much information we voluntarily put out there for anyone to see! It's beyond frightening to see what that Xapian search string looks like!
