Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS GIS] #3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly

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#3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly
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  Reporter:  hellik   |  Owner:  grass-dev@…
  Type:  enhancement  | Status:  closed
  Priority:  critical |  Milestone:  8.0.0
 Component:  Startup  |Version:  svn-trunk
Resolution:  fixed|   Keywords:  wxGUI, startup
   CPU:  All  |   Platform:  All
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Changes (by wenzeslaus):

 * status:  new => closed
 * resolution:   => fixed


Comment:

 Many big changes happened directly or indirectly addressing the points
 raised here. Considering this solved.

 Please, test the latest code (7.9), evaluate, provide feedback, open new
 issues if needed.

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Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS GIS] #3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly

[GRASS GIS]

#3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly
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  Reporter:  hellik   |  Owner:  grass-dev@…
  Type:  enhancement  | Status:  new
  Priority:  critical |  Milestone:  8.0.0
 Component:  Startup  |Version:  svn-trunk
Resolution:   |   Keywords:  wxGUI, startup
   CPU:  All  |   Platform:  All
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Comment (by wenzeslaus):

 Replying to [comment:5 cmbarton]:
 > Another one that might help would be better integrate saved workspaces
 with Projects (AKA Locations) or Mapsets. We could have a default
 workspace for each Mapset, for example, which would open when GRASS is
 launched and that Mapset chosen. By default it would be blank. But for
 demo sets like North Carolina, the default workspace could have several
 maps that would automatically show up in the display.

 This is still on the table. Consider open an issue for this.

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Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS GIS] #3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly

[GRASS GIS]

#3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly
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  Reporter:  hellik   |  Owner:  grass-dev@…
  Type:  enhancement  | Status:  new
  Priority:  critical |  Milestone:  8.0.0
 Component:  Startup  |Version:  svn-trunk
Resolution:   |   Keywords:  wxGUI, startup
   CPU:  All  |   Platform:  All
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Comment (by wenzeslaus):

 Replying to [comment:1 veroandreo]:
 > From these students, we get comments such as:
 > ...
 > - "how do you open it after you extracted it"

 Tutorials for absolute beginners make use of the "Download sample
 location" button in the Data tab.

 An "Open mapset" is still under consideration. Consider creating an issue.

 > - "I don't know how to add dataset of north carolina ...what to do next?
 how to add map of north carolina"
 > - "I've downloaded the software and also the data base, but the map
 doesn't seem to open in app, I'm kind of stuck here"
 > - "However, I can't seem to be able to see anything upon opening it. The
 UI opens fine, but I can't see a map or anything after selecting the North
 Carolina dataset."

 Now the data is at least visible in Data tab in way or the or the other
 which hopefully mitigates some of the initial confusion and leaves some
 energy for the next steps.

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Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS GIS] #3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly

[GRASS GIS]

#3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly
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  Reporter:  hellik   |  Owner:  grass-dev@…
  Type:  enhancement  | Status:  new
  Priority:  critical |  Milestone:  8.0.0
 Component:  Startup  |Version:  svn-trunk
Resolution:   |   Keywords:  wxGUI, startup
   CPU:  All  |   Platform:  All
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Comment (by wenzeslaus):

 Replying to [ticket:3474 hellik] (OP):
 >
 > therefore to broaden the user community, the startup should be changed
 to:
 >
 > - start first layer manager and map display into a default ll-
 wgs84-location

 Done in PR:705 and PR:868.

 > - then offer the dialogue choose location/mapset-new location/mapset

 Even better, the Data tab is now capable to do anything the startup screen
 did (e.g., PR:756, PR:731 from the recent changes).

 > - introduce a -vintage flag to be able to change to the old behaviour

 Sorry, not happening. If you are running from the command line (and you
 [would] have to use any vintage sort of flag), you can set the mapset from
 command line. If you want pick it in GUI, start in some mapset, e.g., in
 the demolocation or create an XY location for yourself. There is besides
 the default g.gui, there is also g.gui.datacatalog if you want a light
 weight experience.

 Behavior of `--gtext` is still undecided, so please do test and make
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Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS GIS] #3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly

[GRASS GIS]

#3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly
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  Reporter:  hellik   |  Owner:  grass-dev@…
  Type:  enhancement  | Status:  new
  Priority:  critical |  Milestone:  8.0.0
 Component:  Startup  |Version:  svn-trunk
Resolution:   |   Keywords:  wxGUI, startup
   CPU:  All  |   Platform:  All
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Comment (by wenzeslaus):

 Replying to [comment:1 veroandreo]:
 > From these students, we get comments such as: ''once i open the grass
 gis console...it opens another application called layer manager''

 This part should be addressed in PR:1216 (merged).

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Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS GIS] #3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly

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#3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly
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  Reporter:  hellik   |  Owner:  grass-dev@…
  Type:  enhancement  | Status:  new
  Priority:  critical |  Milestone:  8.0.0
 Component:  Startup  |Version:  svn-trunk
Resolution:   |   Keywords:  wxGUI, startup
   CPU:  All  |   Platform:  All
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Comment (by neteler):

 For the record: continued here:

 https://github.com/OSGeo/grass/projects/1

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Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS GIS] #3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly

[Michael Barton]

They're there. I just checked. Also showed up on the email notification. Maybe 
just need to refresh your view?

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#3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly
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  Reporter:  hellik   |  Owner:  grass-dev@…
  Type:  enhancement  | Status:  new
  Priority:  critical |  Milestone:  8.0.0
Component:  Startup  |Version:  svn-trunk
Resolution:   |   Keywords:  wxGUI, startup
   CPU:  All  |   Platform:  All
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Comment (by wenzeslaus):

Replying to [comment:5 cmbarton]:
> Replying to [comment:2 wenzeslaus]:
> > See wiki:wxGUIDevelopment/New_Startup for solutions proposed so far
(and of course, please contribute).
>
> I added a couple of thoughts there.

Please check if your changes were saved. I don't see them in the history:


https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__trac.osgeo.org_grass_wiki_wxGUIDevelopment_New-5FStartup-3Faction-3Dhistory=DwIGaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=lk-7X7CEOMDN8GaGVhiDsuO6gEp1wbG6nfT1XEEEtR0=px_0q02e6bxwyxO7UiHYmBcwn2NJOCvqxYvORRG_kCY=gnmX2MVuWQcKaZwF6ni3pIghyCQTAOLkrLidf1m4rSE=

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Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS GIS] #3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly

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#3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly
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  Reporter:  hellik   |  Owner:  grass-dev@…
  Type:  enhancement  | Status:  new
  Priority:  critical |  Milestone:  8.0.0
 Component:  Startup  |Version:  svn-trunk
Resolution:   |   Keywords:  wxGUI, startup
   CPU:  All  |   Platform:  All
--+

Comment (by wenzeslaus):

 Replying to [comment:5 cmbarton]:
 >
 > Another one that might help would be better integrate saved workspaces
 with Projects (AKA Locations) or Mapsets. We could have a default
 workspace for each Mapset, for example, which would open when GRASS is
 launched and that Mapset chosen. By default it would be blank. But for
 demo sets like North Carolina, the default workspace could have several
 maps that would automatically show up in the display.

 This makes a lot of sense to me and it is actually already there:

 wiki:wxGUIDevelopment/New_Startup#NCSUGeoForAllLabJune5

 And see the other way around too: #3575 (Associate
 database/location/mapset with workspace file)

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Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS GIS] #3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly

[GRASS GIS]

#3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly
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  Reporter:  hellik   |  Owner:  grass-dev@…
  Type:  enhancement  | Status:  new
  Priority:  critical |  Milestone:  8.0.0
 Component:  Startup  |Version:  svn-trunk
Resolution:   |   Keywords:  wxGUI, startup
   CPU:  All  |   Platform:  All
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Comment (by wenzeslaus):

 Replying to [comment:5 cmbarton]:
 > Replying to [comment:2 wenzeslaus]:
 > > See wiki:wxGUIDevelopment/New_Startup for solutions proposed so far
 (and of course, please contribute).
 >
 > I added a couple of thoughts there.

 Please check if your changes were saved. I don't see them in the history:

 https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/wxGUIDevelopment/New_Startup?action=history

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Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS GIS] #3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly

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#3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly
--+
  Reporter:  hellik   |  Owner:  grass-dev@…
  Type:  enhancement  | Status:  new
  Priority:  critical |  Milestone:  8.0.0
 Component:  Startup  |Version:  svn-trunk
Resolution:   |   Keywords:  wxGUI, startup
   CPU:  All  |   Platform:  All
--+

Comment (by cmbarton):

 Replying to [comment:2 wenzeslaus]:
 > See wiki:wxGUIDevelopment/New_Startup for solutions proposed so far (and
 of course, please contribute).

 I added a couple of thoughts there. Another one that might help would be
 better integrate saved workspaces with Projects (AKA Locations) or
 Mapsets. We could have a default workspace for each Mapset, for example,
 which would open when GRASS is launched and that Mapset chosen. By default
 it would be blank. But for demo sets like North Carolina, the default
 workspace could have several maps that would automatically show up in the
 display.

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Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS GIS] #3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly

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#3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly
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  Reporter:  hellik   |  Owner:  grass-dev@…
  Type:  enhancement  | Status:  new
  Priority:  critical |  Milestone:  8.0.0
 Component:  Startup  |Version:  svn-trunk
Resolution:   |   Keywords:  wxGUI, startup
   CPU:  All  |   Platform:  All
--+

Comment (by cmbarton):

 Replying to [comment:1 veroandreo]:
 > Thanks Helli for opening this ticket and hopefully triggering some
 discussion on this matter. We already discussed about it in the autumn
 2017 community sprint
 (https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Talk:GRASS_GIS_Community_Sprint_Autumn_2017).
 >
 > Just to illustrate, here are some statistics about the GCI "Install
 GRASS GIS and download NC dataset" beginner task:
 >
 > As of today (02/01/18), there are 8 students working on this task and 17
 have completed the task so far.
 >
 > However, 24 students have abandoned the task and 15 ran out of time
 (they had 3 days to complete it). From these students, we get comments
 such as:
 > - "once i open the grass gis console...it opens another application
 called layer manager"
 > - "why is it so hard to do this?"
 > - "I don't know how to add dataset of north carolina ...what to do next?
 how to add map of north carolina"
 > - "how do you open it after you extracted it"
 > - "I've downloaded the software and also the data base, but the map
 doesn't seem to open in app, I'm kind of stuck here"
 > - "However, I can't seem to be able to see anything upon opening it. The
 UI opens fine, but I can't see a map or anything after selecting the North
 Carolina dataset."
 >
 > Of course, some might reflect a lack of understanding of a GIS, but they
 are doing pretty well in OSGeo tasks and such comments I have heard not
 only from high school students. IMHO, to make GRASS GIS easier for new-
 comers and first-time users is really beneficial for us, we cannot get
 more users and future developers if they feel it is that hard to display a
 map.

 I've taught quite a few beginning GIS classes with GRASS now. I've also
 done some short training sessions with QGIS. Most (all?) of the comments
 above would apply equally to QGIS.

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Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS GIS] #3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly

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#3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly
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  Reporter:  hellik   |  Owner:  grass-dev@…
  Type:  enhancement  | Status:  new
  Priority:  critical |  Milestone:  8.0.0
 Component:  Startup  |Version:  svn-trunk
Resolution:   |   Keywords:  wxGUI, startup
   CPU:  All  |   Platform:  All
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Changes (by wenzeslaus):

 * keywords:   => wxGUI, startup


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Re: [GRASS-dev] [GRASS GIS] #3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly

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#3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly
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  Reporter:  hellik   |  Owner:  grass-dev@…
  Type:  enhancement  | Status:  new
  Priority:  critical |  Milestone:  8.0.0
 Component:  Startup  |Version:  svn-trunk
Resolution:   |   Keywords:
   CPU:  All  |   Platform:  All
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Comment (by wenzeslaus):

 See wiki:wxGUIDevelopment/New_Startup for solutions proposed so far (and
 of course, please contribute).

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[GRASS-dev] [GRASS GIS] #3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly

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#3474: Change the GRASS GIS start up to more beginner friendly
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 Reporter:  hellik   |  Owner:  grass-dev@…
 Type:  enhancement  | Status:  new
 Priority:  critical |  Milestone:  8.0.0
Component:  Startup  |Version:  svn-trunk
 Keywords:   |CPU:  All
 Platform:  All  |
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 hi,

 during the GCI contest with young students, we get following feedback:


 {{{
 GRASS GIS is a cool and nice software, but could you make it a little bit
 more beginner-friendly
 }}}

 the startup with choose location/mapset seems often to be confusing

 therefore to broaden the user community, the startup should be changed to:


 {{{
 - start first layer manager and map display into a default ll-
 wgs84-location

 - then offer the dialogue choose location/mapset-new location/mapset

 - introduce a -vintage flag to be able to change to the old behaviour
 }}}

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