Re: [GRASS-user] [GRASS-dev] Comment regarding PSC election

[Michael Barton]

This is no disruption or mess. These are important topics to continue 
discussing.

Michael Barton
School of Human Evolution  Change
Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
Arizona State University

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On Jul 26, 2016, at 12:21 AM, Veronica Andreo 
> wrote:


Hello Nikos, Lu

Thanks for your answers :)

I didn't intend to create any mess neither disrupt nor put in danger the 
ongoing election process, but to merely express my opinion. I'm sorry if I made 
a mess by doing so. It's a pity that the matter didn't reach dev or user lists 
before so I could have said it earlier, though I understand not everything is 
to be discussed publicly.

Yes, Lu, I understand there must be rules, of course... But that doesn't mean 
they are always fair/inclusive or that one has to agree with all of them or 
that they cannot change in the future (I passed 18 long ago :))

I could also ask for add-ons writing access, but even if I was granted that, it 
would feel like fake... since indeed I've never contributed an add-on. I don't 
think it is wise either to inflate developer community with ppl that have not 
contributed an add-on, and that would not even be fair to those that have 
indeed done so. I would just like to have the right to vote as the (bothersome) 
user I am... I mean, maybe I'm the only one, dunno, but if not interested or 
committed to the project why would someone else or anyone in any case want to 
involve him/herself into this? :P

So, in conclusion, not to make it endless, it would be great if upon 
request/approval users could vote either in this occasion or in future 
elections... GRASS is shipped with contributors and contributors-extra files, 
maybe those are good starting points, no? :)

Thanks a lot!

Best,
Vero

El jul. 25, 2016 10:41 PM, "Luca Delucchi" 
> escribió:
On 25 July 2016 at 19:26, Veronica Andreo 
> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>

Hi Vero,

>
> This is my personal opinion and no more than that, but I just think it is a
> bit unfair that for not having svn writing access I'm not able to vote. I
> don't understand how, as user, I'm entitled to nominate a person for PSC,
> but then, I cannot vote. I mean, there are several people with writing
> access that have remained inactive for a long time (no contributions to svn,
> no answering emails, no commenting on tickets or whatsoever), and IMHO,
> while not a developer, I've been pretty active the past 2-3 years. This is
> the first time I don't see/feel the community spirit that I've always
> praised GRASS for and that was one of the main reasons why I involved myself
> in it and spread the love for the project everywhere I went... and that's
> sad from my point of view.
>

I understand that you would like to votes, and I think you should
vote, but some rules should be present, something like 18 to vote (at
least in Italy)
Maybe you could ask for svn addons access, I think PSC could approve
this, you worked for documentation and you could help also in
translation.

>
> Thanks so much to all of you for making GRASS GIS the great software it is
> :)
>
> Best,
> Vero
>


--
ciao
Luca

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Re: [GRASS-user] [GRASS-dev] Comment regarding PSC election

[Nikos Alexandris]

* Veronica Andreo  [2016-07-26 09:21:52 +0200]:


Hello Nikos, Lu

Thanks for your answers :)

I didn't intend to create any mess neither disrupt nor put in danger the
ongoing election process, but to merely express my opinion. I'm sorry if I
made a mess by doing so. It's a pity that the matter didn't reach dev or
user lists before so I could have said it earlier, though I understand not
everything is to be discussed publicly.


Vero, expressing yourself, the way you did, in the public mailing
list(s), is a paradigm to mimic.

Thank You for doing so.

Nikos

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Re: [GRASS-user] [GRASS-dev] Comment regarding PSC election

[Moritz Lennert]

On 26/07/16 09:21, Veronica Andreo wrote:

Hello Nikos, Lu

Thanks for your answers :)

I didn't intend to create any mess neither disrupt nor put in danger the
ongoing election process, but to merely express my opinion. I'm sorry if
I made a mess by doing so. It's a pity that the matter didn't reach dev
or user lists before so I could have said it earlier, though I
understand not everything is to be discussed publicly.


No mess at all. Your points are perfectly valid and merit discussion.



Yes, Lu, I understand there must be rules, of course... But that doesn't
mean they are always fair/inclusive or that one has to agree with all of
them or that they cannot change in the future (I passed 18 long ago :))

I could also ask for add-ons writing access, but even if I was granted
that, it would feel like fake... since indeed I've never contributed an
add-on. I don't think it is wise either to inflate developer community
with ppl that have not contributed an add-on, and that would not even be
fair to those that have indeed done so. I would just like to have the
right to vote as the (bothersome) user I am... I mean, maybe I'm the
only one, dunno, but if not interested or committed to the project why
would someone else or anyone in any case want to involve him/herself
into this? :P

So, in conclusion, not to make it endless, it would be great if upon
request/approval users could vote either in this occasion or in future
elections... GRASS is shipped with contributors and contributors-extra
files, maybe those are good starting points, no? :)


This is indeed the direction the PSC is thinking about right now.

The big question is obviously the definition of the community, and of 
its members. We don't have such a definition for GRASS at this stage 
(e.g. equivalent to the charter membership in OSGeo), and so the easiest 
(but as you highlight probably not the best) was to use svn-access as a 
proxy.


Thanks for being "bothersome" ! ;-)

Moritz
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Re: [GRASS-user] [GRASS-dev] Comment regarding PSC election

[Veronica Andreo]

Hello Nikos, Lu

Thanks for your answers :)

I didn't intend to create any mess neither disrupt nor put in danger the
ongoing election process, but to merely express my opinion. I'm sorry if I
made a mess by doing so. It's a pity that the matter didn't reach dev or
user lists before so I could have said it earlier, though I understand not
everything is to be discussed publicly.

Yes, Lu, I understand there must be rules, of course... But that doesn't
mean they are always fair/inclusive or that one has to agree with all of
them or that they cannot change in the future (I passed 18 long ago :))

I could also ask for add-ons writing access, but even if I was granted
that, it would feel like fake... since indeed I've never contributed an
add-on. I don't think it is wise either to inflate developer community with
ppl that have not contributed an add-on, and that would not even be fair to
those that have indeed done so. I would just like to have the right to vote
as the (bothersome) user I am... I mean, maybe I'm the only one, dunno, but
if not interested or committed to the project why would someone else or
anyone in any case want to involve him/herself into this? :P

So, in conclusion, not to make it endless, it would be great if upon
request/approval users could vote either in this occasion or in future
elections... GRASS is shipped with contributors and contributors-extra
files, maybe those are good starting points, no? :)

Thanks a lot!

Best,
Vero

El jul. 25, 2016 10:41 PM, "Luca Delucchi"  escribió:

> On 25 July 2016 at 19:26, Veronica Andreo  wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> >
>
> Hi Vero,
>
> >
> > This is my personal opinion and no more than that, but I just think it
> is a
> > bit unfair that for not having svn writing access I'm not able to vote. I
> > don't understand how, as user, I'm entitled to nominate a person for PSC,
> > but then, I cannot vote. I mean, there are several people with writing
> > access that have remained inactive for a long time (no contributions to
> svn,
> > no answering emails, no commenting on tickets or whatsoever), and IMHO,
> > while not a developer, I've been pretty active the past 2-3 years. This
> is
> > the first time I don't see/feel the community spirit that I've always
> > praised GRASS for and that was one of the main reasons why I involved
> myself
> > in it and spread the love for the project everywhere I went... and that's
> > sad from my point of view.
> >
>
> I understand that you would like to votes, and I think you should
> vote, but some rules should be present, something like 18 to vote (at
> least in Italy)
> Maybe you could ask for svn addons access, I think PSC could approve
> this, you worked for documentation and you could help also in
> translation.
>
> >
> > Thanks so much to all of you for making GRASS GIS the great software it
> is
> > :)
> >
> > Best,
> > Vero
> >
>
>
> --
> ciao
> Luca
>
> www.lucadelu.org
>
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Re: [GRASS-user] [GRASS-dev] Comment regarding PSC election

[Luca Delucchi]

On 25 July 2016 at 19:26, Veronica Andreo  wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>

Hi Vero,

>
> This is my personal opinion and no more than that, but I just think it is a
> bit unfair that for not having svn writing access I'm not able to vote. I
> don't understand how, as user, I'm entitled to nominate a person for PSC,
> but then, I cannot vote. I mean, there are several people with writing
> access that have remained inactive for a long time (no contributions to svn,
> no answering emails, no commenting on tickets or whatsoever), and IMHO,
> while not a developer, I've been pretty active the past 2-3 years. This is
> the first time I don't see/feel the community spirit that I've always
> praised GRASS for and that was one of the main reasons why I involved myself
> in it and spread the love for the project everywhere I went... and that's
> sad from my point of view.
>

I understand that you would like to votes, and I think you should
vote, but some rules should be present, something like 18 to vote (at
least in Italy)
Maybe you could ask for svn addons access, I think PSC could approve
this, you worked for documentation and you could help also in
translation.

>
> Thanks so much to all of you for making GRASS GIS the great software it is
> :)
>
> Best,
> Vero
>


-- 
ciao
Luca

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