Re: [GRASS-user] Unix and Grass commands in Windows
Hamish Thanks for your excellent response. Confirmed a few of my suspicions, plus some honest comment/nudges to others. -Appreciate the hard work everybody is putting in! Stephen -Original Message- From: Hamish [mailto:hamis...@yahoo.com] Sent: 22 April 2013 12:27 To: grass-user@lists.osgeo.org; Stephen Brearley Subject: Re: [GRASS-user] Unix and Grass commands in Windows Stephen wrote: Hi Folks Just wondering how best to execute Unix and Grass commands using Grass 6/7.0. I’m running Windows Vista, for GRASS 6.4 it is this one: Start - Programs - GRASS GIS 6.4.3 - GRASS GIS 6.4.3 with MSYS. and had started installing Cygwin, but this seems to be massive, and not even sure if this is the best environment, as some users don’t seem happy about it. It's ok, just overkill for what you want to do. People will always be unhappy with something or other on the internet, I wouldn't let that stop you. :) Yes, the installer is a pain. I had initially thought I could use the Console window, but this appears not to accept Unix commands. type bash at that prompt and it will. (maybe follow by PS1='GRASS:\W ' to get the prompt look back) I'm concerned that the CMD.EXE dos box console in 6.4 is still a bit half baked. The rxvt which runs the MSYS is not ideal either, but at least it generally works and occasionally doesn't, as opposed to the current CMD.EXE (GRASS Command Line + running g.gui) in 6.x, which seems to me lately to be lots of things not working. I don't use this day to day, so take with a grain of salt, maybe mine had a bad day when I tried it. I also tried the included MySys Unix console which appears to be a Bash shell, but this does not recognise Grass commands. there are two menu items: - GRASS GIS 6.4.3 with MSYS - MSYS UNIX Console the second one is just a generic UNIX prompt, the GRASS environment has not been loaded for you. the first one is what you want. What would you recommend is the best option if I want to use Grass quite a lot, but don’t want to convert my PC to a fully fledged Linux system (unless that really is the best option, such as using an emulator). I'd try the GRASS+MSys first. If that has problems, then it's pretty easy to install the free VirtualBox Virtual Machine software, then load something like xUbuntu of the OSGeo Live demo onto it. There are some step by step instructions on how to do that here: http://live.osgeo.org What I like about the Virtual Machines is that it makes the whole OS choice debate a bit moot. Set whichever one you're running to full screen, and there you are. GRASS is still smoother on UNIX (Linux/Mac/...), but we're trying to level the playing field as fast as we can. There are still a few rough edges on Windows, but it's getting much closer. good luck, Hamish ___ grass-user mailing list grass-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-user
Re: [GRASS-user] Unix and Grass commands in Windows
Stephen wrote: Hi Folks Just wondering how best to execute Unix and Grass commands using Grass 6/7.0. I’m running Windows Vista, for GRASS 6.4 it is this one: Start - Programs - GRASS GIS 6.4.3 - GRASS GIS 6.4.3 with MSYS. and had started installing Cygwin, but this seems to be massive, and not even sure if this is the best environment, as some users don’t seem happy about it. It's ok, just overkill for what you want to do. People will always be unhappy with something or other on the internet, I wouldn't let that stop you. :) Yes, the installer is a pain. I had initially thought I could use the Console window, but this appears not to accept Unix commands. type bash at that prompt and it will. (maybe follow by PS1='GRASS:\W ' to get the prompt look back) I'm concerned that the CMD.EXE dos box console in 6.4 is still a bit half baked. The rxvt which runs the MSYS is not ideal either, but at least it generally works and occasionally doesn't, as opposed to the current CMD.EXE (GRASS Command Line + running g.gui) in 6.x, which seems to me lately to be lots of things not working. I don't use this day to day, so take with a grain of salt, maybe mine had a bad day when I tried it. I also tried the included MySys Unix console which appears to be a Bash shell, but this does not recognise Grass commands. there are two menu items: - GRASS GIS 6.4.3 with MSYS - MSYS UNIX Console the second one is just a generic UNIX prompt, the GRASS environment has not been loaded for you. the first one is what you want. What would you recommend is the best option if I want to use Grass quite a lot, but don’t want to convert my PC to a fully fledged Linux system (unless that really is the best option, such as using an emulator). I'd try the GRASS+MSys first. If that has problems, then it's pretty easy to install the free VirtualBox Virtual Machine software, then load something like xUbuntu of the OSGeo Live demo onto it. There are some step by step instructions on how to do that here: http://live.osgeo.org What I like about the Virtual Machines is that it makes the whole OS choice debate a bit moot. Set whichever one you're running to full screen, and there you are. GRASS is still smoother on UNIX (Linux/Mac/...), but we're trying to level the playing field as fast as we can. There are still a few rough edges on Windows, but it's getting much closer. good luck, Hamish ___ grass-user mailing list grass-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-user
[GRASS-user] Unix and Grass commands in Windows
Hi Folks Just wondering how best to execute Unix and Grass commands using Grass 6/7.0. I'm running Windows Vista, and had started installing Cygwin, but this seems to be massive, and not even sure if this is the best environment, as some users don't seem happy about it. I had initially thought I could use the Console window, but this appears not to accept Unix commands. I also tried the included MySys Unix console which appears to be a Bash shell, but this does not recognise Grass commands. What would you recommend is the best option if I want to use Grass quite a lot, but don't want to convert my PC to a fully fledged Linux system (unless that really is the best option, such as using an emulator). Thanks Stephen ___ grass-user mailing list grass-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-user
Re: [GRASS-user] Unix and Grass commands in Windows
Consider the option to install a virtual machine running Linux. Gives you the best of both worlds. You might choose the OSGeo Live DVD as your source for the virtual machine. It runs Xubuntu, and you'll have right from the get go GRASS 6.4 all the other GIS software you could want. You'll find instructions on how to setup the Live DVD as a virtual machine (with VirtualBox) right in the help files on the DVD. And after install the "Guest Addons" in the new VM, you'll be able to share folders between the VM and the host Windows computer, so you'll have access to any results from your Linux GRASS work back on the Windows machine. Best, Micha On 21/04/2013 13:55, Stephen Brearley wrote: Hi Folks Just wondering how best to execute Unix and Grass commands using Grass 6/7.0. I’m running Windows Vista, and had started installing Cygwin, but this seems to be massive, and not even sure if this is the best environment, as some users don’t seem happy about it. I had initially thought I could use the Console window, but this appears not to accept Unix commands. I also tried the included MySys Unix console which appears to be a Bash shell, but this does not recognise Grass commands. What would you recommend is the best option if I want to use Grass quite a lot, but don’t want to convert my PC to a fully fledged Linux system (unless that really is the best option, such as using an emulator). Thanks Stephen This mail was received via Mail-SeCure System. ___ grass-user mailing list grass-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-user This mail was received via Mail-SeCure System. -- Micha Silver GIS Consulting 052-3665918 http://www.surfaces.co.il ___ grass-user mailing list grass-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-user
Re: [GRASS-user] Unix and Grass commands in Windows
Thanks Micha I'll have a look at this. I am trying to optimise the number of applications on my system to have a limited number that I can actually use, yet cover all evils!! Want to concentrate on processing and interpreting data, rather than installing more GB. Creating a Linux partition is extra housekeeping, but as you say, may be the best option. Would like to get everything on a modest laptop, or even a subset of tools on my phablet..(another day!) Can you tell me what is the best Windows-based solution as well please, -to compare? Can't help feeling there is something built into Grass 7.0, that is right under my nose. Thanks S From: Micha Silver [mailto:mi...@arava.co.il] Sent: 21 April 2013 13:45 To: Stephen Brearley Cc: grass-user@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [GRASS-user] Unix and Grass commands in Windows Consider the option to install a virtual machine running Linux. Gives you the best of both worlds. You might choose the OSGeo Live DVD as your source for the virtual machine. It runs Xubuntu, and you'll have right from the get go GRASS 6.4 all the other GIS software you could want. You'll find instructions on how to setup the Live DVD as a virtual machine (with VirtualBox) right in the help files on the DVD. And after install the Guest Addons in the new VM, you'll be able to share folders between the VM and the host Windows computer, so you'll have access to any results from your Linux GRASS work back on the Windows machine. Best, Micha On 21/04/2013 13:55, Stephen Brearley wrote: Hi Folks Just wondering how best to execute Unix and Grass commands using Grass 6/7.0. I'm running Windows Vista, and had started installing Cygwin, but this seems to be massive, and not even sure if this is the best environment, as some users don't seem happy about it. I had initially thought I could use the Console window, but this appears not to accept Unix commands. I also tried the included MySys Unix console which appears to be a Bash shell, but this does not recognise Grass commands. What would you recommend is the best option if I want to use Grass quite a lot, but don't want to convert my PC to a fully fledged Linux system (unless that really is the best option, such as using an emulator). Thanks Stephen This mail was received via Mail-SeCure System. ___ grass-user mailing list grass-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-user This mail was received via Mail-SeCure System. -- Micha Silver GIS Consulting 052-3665918 http://www.surfaces.co.il ___ grass-user mailing list grass-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-user
Re: [GRASS-user] Unix and Grass commands in Windows
Stephen Brearley wrote: Just wondering how best to execute Unix and Grass commands using Grass 6/7.0. I'm running Windows Vista, and had started installing Cygwin, but this seems to be massive, and not even sure if this is the best environment, as some users don't seem happy about it. I had initially thought I could use the Console window, but this appears not to accept Unix commands. The console window doesn't recognise any commands; it's the shell which is run in it which executes commands. If you use the Command Prompt entry in the start menu, you'll get a console window running cmd.exe (largely backward-compatible with DOS). MSys and Cygwin each offer a version of bash, along with some utilities. Cygwin provides a higher degree of Unix compatibility, but is more heavyweight. MSys and Cygwin each include a terminal emulator (rxvt for MSys, mintty for Cygwin), and the corresponding icon uses this terminal emulator to run bash. However, either version of bash can be run in a Windows console window if that is preferred. I also tried the included MySys Unix console which appears to be a Bash shell, but this does not recognise Grass commands. GRASS commands are designed to be run inside of a GRASS session. Essentially, this requires certain environment variables to be set (e.g. GISBASE must contain the path to the GRASS installation, GISRC must contain the path to a file containing certain settings, PATH must include the directories containing GRASS programs and DLLs). GRASS is supplied with a batch file which sets the various environment variables then starts a shell and/or a GUI. What would you recommend is the best option if I want to use Grass quite a lot, but don't want to convert my PC to a fully fledged Linux system (unless that really is the best option, such as using an emulator). GRASS 7 should run natively on Windows, i.e. it shouldn't require bash or any Unix utilities. GRASS 6.x requires bash and standard utilities in order to run various shell scripts (these have been converted to Python in GRASS 7). The Cygwin version should only be used if you particularly want a Unix environment but only have a Windows system. -- Glynn Clements gl...@gclements.plus.com ___ grass-user mailing list grass-user@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-user
