Re: man(7), hyphen, and minus

2022-12-23 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Hi Russ, At 2022-12-23T14:42:42-0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Incidentally, the rules for the second argument to .ds appear to not > follow the normal rules for macro arguments. > > .ds C` "" > > defines \*(C` to a single double-quote, but: > > .ds C` > > defines \*(C` to """, not to " as o

Re: man(7), hyphen, and minus

2022-12-23 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2022-12-23T12:49:15-0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > "G. Branden Robinson" writes: > > Right. Four or five years ago I proposed a new groff special > > character identifier `\(hm` to cover this case. But this was not > > met with assent, and I concede that the problem may be confined to > > man pa

Re: man(7), hyphen, and minus

2022-12-23 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Hi Russ, At 2022-12-23T10:03:13-0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > "G. Branden Robinson" writes: > > That's fair, and it isn't the first time I've heard capable people > > express the opinion that having a document translator produce > > idiomatic man(7) font alternation macro calls rather than chains o

Re: man(7), hyphen, and minus

2022-12-23 Thread Robert Thorsby
On 24/12/22 12:26, Richard Morse wrote: On Dec 23, 2022, at 3:49 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: I've been curious: how much use do you see of groff outside of man pages? I realize I’m just one person, but my use of groff (and Heirloom for using useful fonts) is entirely outside of man pages… Like

Re: man(7), hyphen, and minus

2022-12-23 Thread Richard Morse
On Dec 23, 2022, at 3:49 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: > > I've been curious: how much use do you see of groff outside of man pages? I realize I’m just one person, but my use of groff (and Heirloom for using useful fonts) is entirely outside of man pages… Ricky

Re: Happy new Sun (was: man-pages-6.02 released)

2022-12-23 Thread Deri
On Saturday, 24 December 2022 00:03:41 GMT Nate Bargmann wrote: > 2719 pages with no table of contents or index! Aside from the intro > man page, I couldn't make sense of the order. > > - Nate You may need to open the outline pane on the left, which acts like a table of contents. Cheers Deri

Re: Happy new Sun (was: man-pages-6.02 released)

2022-12-23 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2022 23 Dec 11:52 -0600, Deri wrote: > On Thursday, 22 December 2022 21:57:52 GMT G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > > You can take it as a Christmas present Now, I'm officially waiting > > > for groff-1.23 to be released to declare it as a dependency. Deri > > > sent me a present for Christmas

Re: Happy new Sun (was: man-pages-6.02 released)

2022-12-23 Thread Alejandro Colomar
Hi Deri, On 12/23/22 18:51, Deri wrote: On Thursday, 22 December 2022 21:57:52 GMT G. Branden Robinson wrote: You can take it as a Christmas present Now, I'm officially waiting for groff-1.23 to be released to declare it as a dependency. Deri sent me a present for Christmas, and it would be

Re: man(7), hyphen, and minus

2022-12-23 Thread Russ Allbery
"G. Branden Robinson" writes: >For the (neutral) double quote, you have recourse to an obscure > syntactical feature of AT&T 'troff'. Because a double quote can begin a > macro argument, the formatter keeps track of whether the current > argument was started thus, and doesn't require a space

Re: man(7), hyphen, and minus

2022-12-23 Thread Russ Allbery
"G. Branden Robinson" writes: > Right. Four or five years ago I proposed a new groff special character > identifier `\(hm` to cover this case. But this was not met with assent, > and I concede that the problem may be confined to man pages. I've been curious: how much use do you see of groff ou

Re: man(7), hyphen, and minus

2022-12-23 Thread Russ Allbery
"G. Branden Robinson" writes: > That's fair, and it isn't the first time I've heard capable people > express the opinion that having a document translator produce idiomatic > man(7) font alternation macro calls rather than chains of font selection > escape sequences was Just Too Damned Hard. If

Re: Happy new Sun (was: man-pages-6.02 released)

2022-12-23 Thread Deri
On Thursday, 22 December 2022 21:57:52 GMT G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > You can take it as a Christmas present Now, I'm officially waiting > > for groff-1.23 to be released to declare it as a dependency. Deri > > sent me a present for Christmas, and it would be a much smaller and > > better pr