Re: [gmx-users] Version problem

2014-11-06 Thread Carsten Kutzner

On 06 Nov 2014, at 07:15, sa...@physics.iisc.ernet.in wrote:

 Dear all,
 I am new to GROMACS, just finish installation of v5.0.2, started reading
 online manual, as instructed executed the command: mdrun -version and the
 printout pasted below.
 
 It is printing GROMACS version 4.6.5, however I have installed version
 5.0.2. What is the problem?
Find the directory to where you have installed your GROMACS 5.0 executables
and then do

source /path/to/gmx5/bin/GMXRC

which mdrun

should now give you the 5.0 mdrun

Carsten

 
 Regards,
 Satyabrata Das
 
 ==
 Program: mdrun
 Gromacs version:VERSION 4.6.5
 Precision:  single
 Memory model:   64 bit
 MPI library:thread_mpi
 OpenMP support: enabled
 GPU support:disabled
 invsqrt routine:gmx_software_invsqrt(x)
 CPU acceleration:   SSE4.1
 FFT library:fftw-3.3.3-sse2-avx
 Large file support: enabled
 RDTSCP usage:   enabled
 Built on:   Sun Dec 15 04:01:11 UTC 2013
 Built by:   buildd@panlong [CMAKE]
 Build OS/arch:  Linux 3.2.0-37-generic x86_64
 Build CPU vendor:   GenuineIntel
 Build CPU brand:Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU   E5620  @ 2.40GHz
 Build CPU family:   6   Model: 44   Stepping: 2
 Build CPU features: aes apic clfsh cmov cx8 cx16 htt lahf_lm mmx msr
 nonstop_tsc pcid pclmuldq pdcm pdpe1gb popcnt pse rdtscp sse2 sse3 sse4.1
 sse4.2 ssse3
 C compiler: /usr/bin/x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc GNU gcc-4.8.real
 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.8.2-10ubuntu1) 4.8.2
 C compiler flags:   -msse4.1-Wextra -Wno-missing-field-initializers
 -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wno-unused -Wunused-value -Wno-unused-parameter
 -Wno-array-bounds -Wno-maybe-uninitialized -Wno-strict-overflow  
 -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-all-loops -fexcess-precision=fast  -O3
 -DNDEBUG
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Re: [gmx-users] Version problem

2014-11-06 Thread satya
Dear Dr. Carsten Kutzner,
  I am unable to find the gmx5/bin/GMXRC in my machine,
used 'locate' and 'find' to search the location.
However I have source the following:
source /usr/share/gromacs/shell-specific/GMXRC.bashrc
Without this also mdrun is running. I am definitely missing something.
Kindly help.

With best regards,

Satya

 On 06 Nov 2014, at 07:15, sa...@physics.iisc.ernet.in wrote:

 Dear all,
 I am new to GROMACS, just finish installation of v5.0.2, started reading
 online manual, as instructed executed the command: mdrun -version and
 the
 printout pasted below.

 It is printing GROMACS version 4.6.5, however I have installed version
 5.0.2. What is the problem?
 Find the directory to where you have installed your GROMACS 5.0
 executables
 and then do

 source /path/to/gmx5/bin/GMXRC

 which mdrun

 should now give you the 5.0 mdrun

 Carsten


 Regards,
 Satyabrata Das

 ==
 Program: mdrun
 Gromacs version:VERSION 4.6.5
 Precision:  single
 Memory model:   64 bit
 MPI library:thread_mpi
 OpenMP support: enabled
 GPU support:disabled
 invsqrt routine:gmx_software_invsqrt(x)
 CPU acceleration:   SSE4.1
 FFT library:fftw-3.3.3-sse2-avx
 Large file support: enabled
 RDTSCP usage:   enabled
 Built on:   Sun Dec 15 04:01:11 UTC 2013
 Built by:   buildd@panlong [CMAKE]
 Build OS/arch:  Linux 3.2.0-37-generic x86_64
 Build CPU vendor:   GenuineIntel
 Build CPU brand:Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU   E5620  @ 2.40GHz
 Build CPU family:   6   Model: 44   Stepping: 2
 Build CPU features: aes apic clfsh cmov cx8 cx16 htt lahf_lm mmx msr
 nonstop_tsc pcid pclmuldq pdcm pdpe1gb popcnt pse rdtscp sse2 sse3
 sse4.1
 sse4.2 ssse3
 C compiler: /usr/bin/x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc GNU gcc-4.8.real
 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.8.2-10ubuntu1) 4.8.2
 C compiler flags:   -msse4.1-Wextra -Wno-missing-field-initializers
 -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wno-unused -Wunused-value -Wno-unused-parameter
 -Wno-array-bounds -Wno-maybe-uninitialized -Wno-strict-overflow
 -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-all-loops -fexcess-precision=fast  -O3
 -DNDEBUG
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Re: [gmx-users] Version problem

2014-11-06 Thread Chandan Choudhury
Dear Satya,

GMXRC is present in the installation directory. You need to find where you
have installed the gromacs 5.0.2.
Then locate the bin directory. GMXRC is generally present there.

Chandan

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:00 PM, sa...@physics.iisc.ernet.in wrote:

 Dear Dr. Carsten Kutzner,
   I am unable to find the gmx5/bin/GMXRC in my machine,
 used 'locate' and 'find' to search the location.
 However I have source the following:
 source /usr/share/gromacs/shell-specific/GMXRC.bashrc
 Without this also mdrun is running. I am definitely missing something.
 Kindly help.

 With best regards,

 Satya

  On 06 Nov 2014, at 07:15, sa...@physics.iisc.ernet.in wrote:
 
  Dear all,
  I am new to GROMACS, just finish installation of v5.0.2, started reading
  online manual, as instructed executed the command: mdrun -version and
  the
  printout pasted below.
 
  It is printing GROMACS version 4.6.5, however I have installed version
  5.0.2. What is the problem?
  Find the directory to where you have installed your GROMACS 5.0
  executables
  and then do
 
  source /path/to/gmx5/bin/GMXRC
 
  which mdrun
 
  should now give you the 5.0 mdrun
 
  Carsten
 
 
  Regards,
  Satyabrata Das
 
  ==
  Program: mdrun
  Gromacs version:VERSION 4.6.5
  Precision:  single
  Memory model:   64 bit
  MPI library:thread_mpi
  OpenMP support: enabled
  GPU support:disabled
  invsqrt routine:gmx_software_invsqrt(x)
  CPU acceleration:   SSE4.1
  FFT library:fftw-3.3.3-sse2-avx
  Large file support: enabled
  RDTSCP usage:   enabled
  Built on:   Sun Dec 15 04:01:11 UTC 2013
  Built by:   buildd@panlong [CMAKE]
  Build OS/arch:  Linux 3.2.0-37-generic x86_64
  Build CPU vendor:   GenuineIntel
  Build CPU brand:Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU   E5620  @ 2.40GHz
  Build CPU family:   6   Model: 44   Stepping: 2
  Build CPU features: aes apic clfsh cmov cx8 cx16 htt lahf_lm mmx msr
  nonstop_tsc pcid pclmuldq pdcm pdpe1gb popcnt pse rdtscp sse2 sse3
  sse4.1
  sse4.2 ssse3
  C compiler: /usr/bin/x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc GNU gcc-4.8.real
  (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.8.2-10ubuntu1) 4.8.2
  C compiler flags:   -msse4.1-Wextra -Wno-missing-field-initializers
  -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wno-unused -Wunused-value -Wno-unused-parameter
  -Wno-array-bounds -Wno-maybe-uninitialized -Wno-strict-overflow
  -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-all-loops -fexcess-precision=fast  -O3
  -DNDEBUG
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Re: [gmx-users] Pressure Question

2014-11-06 Thread Téletchéa Stéphane

Le 06/11/2014 06:16, Antonio Baptista a écrit :


In particular, the virial-based instantaneous pressure (call it P') 
computed in simulations has its ensemble average equal to the 
thermodynamic pressure P (check any good book on molecular 
simulation). But, as others already pointed out, this P' is well-known 
to show extremelly large fluctuations, meaning that its average 
computed from the simulation has usually a very large statistical 
spread. In other words, although the ensemble average of P' is 
strictly equal to P, its simulation average is a random variable that 
often shows large deviations from P (especially for short 
simulations). To get an idea of what is an acceptable error for the 
average of P', you may look at its distribution histogram in the NPT 
simulation. 


Dear Antonio,

Sorry if my message sound aggressive when I talked about totally 
irrevelevant, I will clarify my thoughts.


From a theoretical point of view, you are right, each ensemble is 
accessible.


From a biological point of view, though, the concept of fixing the 
volume is less reasonable:
we live at constant pressure and temperature, and also at tighly 
controlled pH, and salt concentrations.


The volume varies though, as you feel it when the weather is getting hot 
or cold.


My point was exactly what your are telling in a more formal way than me:
this P' is well-known to show extremely large fluctuations

Well, digging a bit more on my feeling, I also found opposite 
arguments on the AMBER mailing list,

like here: http://archive.ambermd.org/201103/0431.html

So I'll got back again on my research and adjust my mind on the actual 
bleeding edge simulations

taking into account all the recent code and force fields progresses.

Best,

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[gmx-users] Tested and most compatible Gromacs version for Mac OS Leopard (10.5)

2014-11-06 Thread PAVAN PAYGHAN
Dear Gromacs Users,

Please suggest me latest gromacs version which will suit Mac OS Leopard (on
Apple cluster) without having any problems.
Can it be possible to use 5.0 Gromacs series for the same?. I searched in
net and mailing list didn't found any reliable answer.
Thanking You in advance.

Pavan Payghan
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[gmx-users] gmx covar (Version 5.x) segfaults with covariance matrices bigger than 1500x1500

2014-11-06 Thread Machtens, Jan-Philipp
Dear all,
I observed that g_covar in Gromacs 5.0.2 segfaults at the diagonalization step, 
if the group for the covariance analysis is bigger than 500 atoms, i.e. if the 
covariance matrix is bigger than 1500x1500.
In my hands, this problem does not arise with g_covar 4.6.x. The results 
obtained from g_covar (version 5.x) on groups = 500 atoms that I obtained
were the same os those from version 4.6.x and also verified manually. Memory is 
not the problem here. The problem is independent on single/double precision.

Before posting this on redmine.gromacs I first want to check whether someone 
here has made a contradicting experience which would argue against a possible 
bug introduced in 5.0.2?
Thanks.
Cheers,
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[gmx-users] centering a protofibril in a box

2014-11-06 Thread Adriana Garro
Dear all,

I am trying to center a protofibril in a box, but respect to its first
monomer. (the result would be the protofibril shiftted to the botton of the
box)
I used
trjconv -f protofibril.pdb -n index.ndx -center -s  protofibril.pdb -o
test.pdb

I did an index for the residues corresponding to the first monomer and that
is which I chose as select group for centering but when I visualize the
System with vmd the protofibril appears in the center of the box but as it
was just one molecule.
Thanks in advance!

Adriana
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Re: [gmx-users] md.log interpretation

2014-11-06 Thread Nizar Masbukhin
I have tried running simulation with zero cutoff and zero nstlist and
simple ns. That was very very slow, however.

anyway thanks for the reply.
 On Nov 5, 2014 9:38 PM, Mark Abraham mark.j.abra...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I am not familiar with the implementation details, but I would assume there
 is a dependency on rcoulomb of the cost of the Born force chain rule. You
 can check this by trying different values. It might be faster to use
 infinite cutoffs (see manual) so that the algorithm does not need to
 search.

 Mark

 On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:34 AM, Nizar Masbukhin nizar.fku...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Dear gromacs users,
  I've just finished my NVT equilibration in implicit solvent. From
 md.log, i
  see that most of time were used to calculate Forces (of Born force chain
  rule). Could someone explain to me why calculating it takes so long?
 
  mdp setting:
 
  integrator=md
  dt=0.004
  nstep=250
  bd-frict=50
  rlist=5
  rvdw=5
  rcoulomb=5
  nstlist=40
  implicit-solvent=GBSA
  gb-alogarithm=still
  nstgbradii=40
  gbradii=5
  gb-epsilon-solvent=80
  gb-salt-conc=0.2
  sa-algorithm=ace-approximation
  sa-surface-tension=2.05
  constraints=all-bonds
  constraints-algorithm=LINCS
  lincs-order=12
 
 
  md.log
 
  M E G A - F L O P S   A C C O U N T I N G
 
   NB=Group-cutoff nonbonded kernelsNxN=N-by-N cluster Verlet kernels
   RF=Reaction-Field  VdW=Van der Waals  QSTab=quadratic-spline table
   W3=SPC/TIP3p  W4=TIP4p (single or pairs)
   VF=Potential and force  V=Potential only  F=Force only
 
   Computing:   M-Number M-Flops  %
 Flops
 
 
 -
   NB VdW [VF] 32677.013279   32677.013
  0.0
   NB VdW [F] 1740991.575264 1740991.575
  0.3
   NB VdW  Elec. [VF]   1192677.312698 1192677.313
  0.2
   NB VdW  Elec. [F]   106409048.599622   106409048.600
 17.9
   1,4 nonbonded interactions   20035.628466 1803206.562
  0.3
   Born radii (Still) 1999216.23274293963162.939
 15.8
   Born force chain rule 25548182.811729   *383222742.176*
  64.4
   NS-Pairs 64906.572700 1363038.027
  0.2
   CG-CoM 205.506576 616.520
  0.0
   Propers  15168.313980 3473543.901
  0.6
   Impropers  637.980588  132699.962
  0.0
   Pos. Restr.   3830.053530  191502.676
  0.0
   Virial  82.6954711488.518
  0.0
   Stop-CM 82.214752 822.148
  0.0
   Calc-Ekin  822.011152   22194.301
  0.0
   Lincs 4696.969329  281818.160
  0.0
   Lincs-Mat   229529.791548  918119.166
  0.2
   Constraint-V  9393.938658   75151.509
  0.0
   Constraint-Vir  46.9739791127.375
  0.0
   Virtual Site 3 615.868824   22787.146
  0.0
   Virtual Site 3fd   791.205144   75164.489
  0.0
   Virtual Site 3fad  168.761208   29701.973
  0.0
   Virtual Site 3out 1893.632256  164746.006
  0.0
   Virtual Site 4fdn  576.418152  146410.211
  0.0
   (null) 476.315439   0.000
  0.0
 
 
 -
   Total   595265438.267
  100.0
 
 
 -
 
 
   R E A L   C Y C L E   A N D   T I M E   A C C O U N T I N G
 
  On 1 MPI rank
 
   Computing:  Num   Num  CallWall time Giga-Cycles
   Ranks Threads  Count  (s) total sum%
 
 
 -
   Vsite constr.  111085001  96.421385.432
  0.2
   Neighbor search11  27126 915.964   3661.462
  2.1
   Force  111085001   *39317.742* 157168.118
  91.3
   Vsite spread   111095852 142.563569.880
  0.3
   Write traj.11  11030 425.764   1701.942
  1.0
   Update 111085001  96.742386.714
  0.2
   Constraints1110850011311.720   5243.449
  3.0
   Rest 766.404   3063.612
  1.8
 
 
 -
   Total  43073.320 172180.608
 100.0
 
 
 

Re: [gmx-users] Version problem

2014-11-06 Thread satya

tried which mdrun
showing the path /usr/bin/mdrun, which v4.6.5, however I have downloaded
v5.0.2.tar.gz and used for installation.


 try to find mdrun program by typing this command on terminal:
 which mdrun
 will show path of mdrun program where it located.
 On Nov 6, 2014 4:01 PM, sa...@physics.iisc.ernet.in wrote:

 Dear Dr. Carsten Kutzner,
   I am unable to find the gmx5/bin/GMXRC in my machine,
 used 'locate' and 'find' to search the location.
 However I have source the following:
 source /usr/share/gromacs/shell-specific/GMXRC.bashrc
 Without this also mdrun is running. I am definitely missing something.
 Kindly help.

 With best regards,

 Satya

  On 06 Nov 2014, at 07:15, sa...@physics.iisc.ernet.in wrote:
 
  Dear all,
  I am new to GROMACS, just finish installation of v5.0.2, started
 reading
  online manual, as instructed executed the command: mdrun -version and
  the
  printout pasted below.
 
  It is printing GROMACS version 4.6.5, however I have installed
 version
  5.0.2. What is the problem?
  Find the directory to where you have installed your GROMACS 5.0
  executables
  and then do
 
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[gmx-users] Minimization is not running

2014-11-06 Thread satya
Dear all,

I am just new to GROMACS, tried to install v5.0.2, although isntallation
was successful, while running it is giving problem:

I am just trying to do the lysozyme tutorial, however first energy
minimization is not running, mdrun stopped with:

===
Reading file em.tpr, VERSION 4.6.5 (single precision)
Using 1 MPI thread
Using 2 OpenMP threads
Compiled acceleration: SSE4.1 (Gromacs could use SSE2 on this machine,
which is better)

Back Off! I just backed up em.trr to ./#em.trr.1#

Back Off! I just backed up em.edr to ./#em.edr.1#
Illegal instruction (core dumped)


I have attached log file which shows during installation compiler flag
SSE4.1 was used instead of SSE2, how to fix this?

With best regards,

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Re: [gmx-users] Minimization is not running

2014-11-06 Thread Mark Abraham
This is because you are using 4.6.5 provided by your OS, and it has been
compiled assuming SSE4.1, but your machine is so old it only runs SSE2.
When you find your 5.0.2 install, it will be probably compiled for SSE2.

Mark

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:52 PM, sa...@physics.iisc.ernet.in wrote:

 Dear all,

 I am just new to GROMACS, tried to install v5.0.2, although isntallation
 was successful, while running it is giving problem:

 I am just trying to do the lysozyme tutorial, however first energy
 minimization is not running, mdrun stopped with:

 ===
 Reading file em.tpr, VERSION 4.6.5 (single precision)
 Using 1 MPI thread
 Using 2 OpenMP threads
 Compiled acceleration: SSE4.1 (Gromacs could use SSE2 on this machine,
 which is better)

 Back Off! I just backed up em.trr to ./#em.trr.1#

 Back Off! I just backed up em.edr to ./#em.edr.1#
 Illegal instruction (core dumped)
 

 I have attached log file which shows during installation compiler flag
 SSE4.1 was used instead of SSE2, how to fix this?

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Re: [gmx-users] gmx covar (Version 5.x) segfaults with covariance matrices bigger than 1500x1500

2014-11-06 Thread Machtens, Jan-Philipp
Hi,
yes I will post that to redmine soon, but let me first clarify the issue, since 
I tested some more conditions in the meantime.
(I realized that my trajectory had 1501 frames and the error occured when I 
choose more than 500 atoms, i.e. when the number of degrees of freedom becomes 
larger then the number of frames).
So in general, if your trajectory has nf frames, g_covar will result in a 
segfault if the group to be (covariance) analyzed is larger then nf/3 atoms. 
If found this statement to be true for gromacs 4.6.6, 4.6.7 and 5.0.2.
This error does not happen for gromacs 4.6.5

So, I wonder whether this is an unwanted behaviour which has been introduced in 
4.6.6? Do you think this behavior makes sense ? The official release notes for 
4.6.6 do not mention changes in g_covar.
Best,
Jan-Philipp Machtens

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Subject: Re: [gmx-users] gmx covar (Version 5.x) segfaults with covariance 
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Hi,

IIRC some minor bugs were fixed, but a regression like that should be dealt
with... please file at http://redmine.gromacs.org.

Mark

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Machtens, Jan-Philipp 
j.macht...@fz-juelich.de wrote:

 Dear all,
 I observed that g_covar in Gromacs 5.0.2 segfaults at the diagonalization
 step, if the group for the covariance analysis is bigger than 500 atoms,
 i.e. if the covariance matrix is bigger than 1500x1500.
 In my hands, this problem does not arise with g_covar 4.6.x. The results
 obtained from g_covar (version 5.x) on groups = 500 atoms that I obtained
 were the same os those from version 4.6.x and also verified manually.
 Memory is not the problem here. The problem is independent on single/double
 precision.

 Before posting this on redmine.gromacs I first want to check whether
 someone here has made a contradicting experience which would argue against
 a possible bug introduced in 5.0.2?
 Thanks.
 Cheers,
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Re: [gmx-users] Pressure Question

2014-11-06 Thread Mark Abraham
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Johnny Lu johnny.lu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was not offended by the suggestion. With a sufficiently large number of
 water molecules, the protein would behave in the same way, under all three
 ensembles.
 Barostat and thermostat are artificial in some way.


Biochemistry takes place in the NPT ensemble... NVT and NPT are different
from NVE, but that doesn't make them artificial. Implementing such
algorithms correctly is more tricky, however.

At least, even the
 diffusion coefficient is different in a force field paper that used both
 NVE and NVT. Langevin thermostat destroys some momentum transfer.

 This is my first paper, and I don't know if the reviewer will be fine if I
 report that my simulation has an average pressure of 11 bar with error 0.5
 bar.


That would concern me, slightly more than the fact that you have a single
simulation upon which to draw conclusions. Average pressure  1 in a
fixed-volume ensemble means the system wants to change volume (get larger?
I forget the convention). Why not do some NPT to find a volume it
presumably likes better, and do another run? If the results are different,
then you need more runs to find out what's going on. If the results are the
same, then you've added weight to your conclusions.

Mark

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 5:34 AM, Téletchéa Stéphane 
 stephane.teletc...@univ-nantes.fr wrote:

  Le 06/11/2014 06:16, Antonio Baptista a écrit :
 
 
  In particular, the virial-based instantaneous pressure (call it P')
  computed in simulations has its ensemble average equal to the
 thermodynamic
  pressure P (check any good book on molecular simulation). But, as others
  already pointed out, this P' is well-known to show extremelly large
  fluctuations, meaning that its average computed from the simulation has
  usually a very large statistical spread. In other words, although the
  ensemble average of P' is strictly equal to P, its simulation average
 is a
  random variable that often shows large deviations from P (especially for
  short simulations). To get an idea of what is an acceptable error for
 the
  average of P', you may look at its distribution histogram in the NPT
  simulation.
 
 
  Dear Antonio,
 
  Sorry if my message sound aggressive when I talked about totally
  irrevelevant, I will clarify my thoughts.
 
  From a theoretical point of view, you are right, each ensemble is
  accessible.
 
  From a biological point of view, though, the concept of fixing the volume
  is less reasonable:
  we live at constant pressure and temperature, and also at tighly
  controlled pH, and salt concentrations.
 
  The volume varies though, as you feel it when the weather is getting hot
  or cold.
 
  My point was exactly what your are telling in a more formal way than me:
  this P' is well-known to show extremely large fluctuations
 
  Well, digging a bit more on my feeling, I also found opposite arguments
  on the AMBER mailing list,
  like here: http://archive.ambermd.org/201103/0431.html
 
  So I'll got back again on my research and adjust my mind on the actual
  bleeding edge simulations
  taking into account all the recent code and force fields progresses.
 
  Best,
 
  Stéphane
 
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[gmx-users] Avg. Volume in NPT by Small Coupling Time

2014-11-06 Thread Johnny Lu
Hi.

How to get an accurate average volume for a system, such that the pressure
will be at 1 bar in a subsequent NVT run using this average volume?

Is it ok to use Berendsen barostat with a very small time constant (0.2 ps)
?
(At first I picked 0.1ps, gromacs 4.6.7 told me to use at least 0.2 ps).

I was hoping that a smaller time constant would allow the simulation to
sample the volume more frequently and Berendsen barostat would help the
system to converge to the correct average volume faster.

What are the possible draw backs?

So far (2 ns), I see that the pressure fluctuation is smaller than a PR
barostat.

It seems to be fine to use Berendsen barostat for this purpose ( [
https://mailman-1.sys.kth.se/pipermail/gromacs.org_gmx-users/2011-February/058453.html]
)

Thank you again.
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Re: [gmx-users] Pressure Question

2014-11-06 Thread Mark Abraham
Hi,

Note that using the Berendsen thermostat in Gromacs adds defects for no
gain, compared with the Bussi v-rescale thermostat. The latter *is*
Berendsen, plus a stochastic term that produces the right energy and
velocity distributions (unlike Berendsen). I'd give serious consideration
to rejecting a paper that used Gromacs and the Berendsen thermostat,
particularly if they did not discuss why the known defects of Berendsen
were acceptable for their work.

Mark

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Johnny Lu johnny.lu...@gmail.com wrote:

 That post in the amber mailing list was quite interesting. May be using a
 weak berendsen thermostat in NVT is fine for them. Thanks for sharing that.

 On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 6:39 AM, Johnny Lu johnny.lu...@gmail.com wrote:

  I was not offended by the suggestion. With a sufficiently large number of
  water molecules, the protein would behave in the same way, under all
 three
  ensembles.
  Barostat and thermostat are artificial in some way. At least, even the
  diffusion coefficient is different in a force field paper that used both
  NVE and NVT. Langevin thermostat destroys some momentum transfer.
 
  This is my first paper, and I don't know if the reviewer will be fine if
 I
  report that my simulation has an average pressure of 11 bar with error
 0.5
  bar.
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 5:34 AM, Téletchéa Stéphane 
  stephane.teletc...@univ-nantes.fr wrote:
 
  Le 06/11/2014 06:16, Antonio Baptista a écrit :
 
 
  In particular, the virial-based instantaneous pressure (call it P')
  computed in simulations has its ensemble average equal to the
 thermodynamic
  pressure P (check any good book on molecular simulation). But, as
 others
  already pointed out, this P' is well-known to show extremelly large
  fluctuations, meaning that its average computed from the simulation has
  usually a very large statistical spread. In other words, although the
  ensemble average of P' is strictly equal to P, its simulation average
 is a
  random variable that often shows large deviations from P (especially
 for
  short simulations). To get an idea of what is an acceptable error for
 the
  average of P', you may look at its distribution histogram in the NPT
  simulation.
 
 
  Dear Antonio,
 
  Sorry if my message sound aggressive when I talked about totally
  irrevelevant, I will clarify my thoughts.
 
  From a theoretical point of view, you are right, each ensemble is
  accessible.
 
  From a biological point of view, though, the concept of fixing the
 volume
  is less reasonable:
  we live at constant pressure and temperature, and also at tighly
  controlled pH, and salt concentrations.
 
  The volume varies though, as you feel it when the weather is getting hot
  or cold.
 
  My point was exactly what your are telling in a more formal way than me:
  this P' is well-known to show extremely large fluctuations
 
  Well, digging a bit more on my feeling, I also found opposite
 arguments
  on the AMBER mailing list,
  like here: http://archive.ambermd.org/201103/0431.html
 
  So I'll got back again on my research and adjust my mind on the actual
  bleeding edge simulations
  taking into account all the recent code and force fields progresses.
 
  Best,
 
  Stéphane
 
  --
  Team Protein Design In Silico
  UFIP, UMR 6286 CNRS,
  UFR Sciences et Techniques,
  2, rue de la Houssinière, Bât. 25,
  44322 Nantes cedex 03, France
  Tél : +33 251 125 636
  Fax : +33 251 125 632
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Re: [gmx-users] Avg. Volume in NPT by Small Coupling Time

2014-11-06 Thread Mark Abraham
Hi,

I think that's fine for rapidly forcing the volume to be close to the right
equilibrium value, with low fluctuations. Then switch to gentler NPT (or
constant-volume) for making a proper observation of the pressure.

Mark

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Johnny Lu johnny.lu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi.

 How to get an accurate average volume for a system, such that the pressure
 will be at 1 bar in a subsequent NVT run using this average volume?

 Is it ok to use Berendsen barostat with a very small time constant (0.2 ps)
 ?
 (At first I picked 0.1ps, gromacs 4.6.7 told me to use at least 0.2 ps).

 I was hoping that a smaller time constant would allow the simulation to
 sample the volume more frequently and Berendsen barostat would help the
 system to converge to the correct average volume faster.

 What are the possible draw backs?

 So far (2 ns), I see that the pressure fluctuation is smaller than a PR
 barostat.

 It seems to be fine to use Berendsen barostat for this purpose ( [

 https://mailman-1.sys.kth.se/pipermail/gromacs.org_gmx-users/2011-February/058453.html
 ]
 )

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Re: [gmx-users] Pressure Question

2014-11-06 Thread Johnny Lu
I see. I'm using the V-rescaling thermostat in all simulations that I ran.
I don't think I will use NPT for production run.

I'm trying to get NVE production run in the end.
If I use NVT production run, I will try to account for the effect of the
thermostat (I'm not sure I can do that very well).


On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Mark Abraham mark.j.abra...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi,

 Note that using the Berendsen thermostat in Gromacs adds defects for no
 gain, compared with the Bussi v-rescale thermostat. The latter *is*
 Berendsen, plus a stochastic term that produces the right energy and
 velocity distributions (unlike Berendsen). I'd give serious consideration
 to rejecting a paper that used Gromacs and the Berendsen thermostat,
 particularly if they did not discuss why the known defects of Berendsen
 were acceptable for their work.

 Mark

 On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Johnny Lu johnny.lu...@gmail.com wrote:

  That post in the amber mailing list was quite interesting. May be using a
  weak berendsen thermostat in NVT is fine for them. Thanks for sharing
 that.
 
  On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 6:39 AM, Johnny Lu johnny.lu...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   I was not offended by the suggestion. With a sufficiently large number
 of
   water molecules, the protein would behave in the same way, under all
  three
   ensembles.
   Barostat and thermostat are artificial in some way. At least, even the
   diffusion coefficient is different in a force field paper that used
 both
   NVE and NVT. Langevin thermostat destroys some momentum transfer.
  
   This is my first paper, and I don't know if the reviewer will be fine
 if
  I
   report that my simulation has an average pressure of 11 bar with error
  0.5
   bar.
  
  
   On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 5:34 AM, Téletchéa Stéphane 
   stephane.teletc...@univ-nantes.fr wrote:
  
   Le 06/11/2014 06:16, Antonio Baptista a écrit :
  
  
   In particular, the virial-based instantaneous pressure (call it P')
   computed in simulations has its ensemble average equal to the
  thermodynamic
   pressure P (check any good book on molecular simulation). But, as
  others
   already pointed out, this P' is well-known to show extremelly large
   fluctuations, meaning that its average computed from the simulation
 has
   usually a very large statistical spread. In other words, although the
   ensemble average of P' is strictly equal to P, its simulation average
  is a
   random variable that often shows large deviations from P (especially
  for
   short simulations). To get an idea of what is an acceptable error for
  the
   average of P', you may look at its distribution histogram in the NPT
   simulation.
  
  
   Dear Antonio,
  
   Sorry if my message sound aggressive when I talked about totally
   irrevelevant, I will clarify my thoughts.
  
   From a theoretical point of view, you are right, each ensemble is
   accessible.
  
   From a biological point of view, though, the concept of fixing the
  volume
   is less reasonable:
   we live at constant pressure and temperature, and also at tighly
   controlled pH, and salt concentrations.
  
   The volume varies though, as you feel it when the weather is getting
 hot
   or cold.
  
   My point was exactly what your are telling in a more formal way than
 me:
   this P' is well-known to show extremely large fluctuations
  
   Well, digging a bit more on my feeling, I also found opposite
  arguments
   on the AMBER mailing list,
   like here: http://archive.ambermd.org/201103/0431.html
  
   So I'll got back again on my research and adjust my mind on the
 actual
   bleeding edge simulations
   taking into account all the recent code and force fields progresses.
  
   Best,
  
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Re: [gmx-users] centering a protofibril in a box

2014-11-06 Thread Adriana Garro
Thanks Justin.
I know it was not enough clear, it was because of my limited English
proficiency.
What I wanted (and want) to do is centering the first monomer of the
protofibril in the box, so the protofibril would be shifted to the bottom
part allowing aggregate more and more monomers without having to use a
bigger box.
But using this

trjconv -f protofibril.pdb -n index.ndx -center -s  protofibril.pdb -o
test.pdb

(index.ndx  is an index I did for the residues corresponding to the first
monomer and that is which I chose as select group for centering)

what I get is that the center of the box matches with the center of the
protofibril (looking at the longitudinal direction of the protofibril), as
it doesnt care about the index.
By the way, do you know why  -s file.pdb is required?
Maybe it is not possible to do what I want with this command; but it is
just center the protofibril with respect to its first monomer.
I will try with editconf instead.
Thanks a lot for your time.

Adriana




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2014-11-06 13:54 GMT+01:00 Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu:



 On 11/6/14 6:13 AM, Adriana Garro wrote:

 Dear all,

 I am trying to center a protofibril in a box, but respect to its first
 monomer. (the result would be the protofibril shiftted to the botton of
 the
 box)
 I used
 trjconv -f protofibril.pdb -n index.ndx -center -s  protofibril.pdb -o
 test.pdb

 I did an index for the residues corresponding to the first monomer and
 that
 is which I chose as select group for centering but when I visualize the
 System with vmd the protofibril appears in the center of the box but as it
 was just one molecule.


 You can accomplish this with either editconf -translate or trjconv
 -trans.  I don't exactly know what's going on from your description - an
 image here would be good, because the last sentence doesn't make much sense
 to me.

 -Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] gmx covar (Version 5.x) segfaults with covariance matrices bigger than 1500x1500

2014-11-06 Thread Mark Abraham
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Machtens, Jan-Philipp 
j.macht...@fz-juelich.de wrote:

 Hi,
 yes I will post that to redmine soon, but let me first clarify the issue,
 since I tested some more conditions in the meantime.
 (I realized that my trajectory had 1501 frames and the error occured when
 I choose more than 500 atoms, i.e. when the number of degrees of freedom
 becomes larger then the number of frames).
 So in general, if your trajectory has nf frames, g_covar will result in a
 segfault if the group to be (covariance) analyzed is larger then nf/3 atoms.
 If found this statement to be true for gromacs 4.6.6, 4.6.7 and 5.0.2.
 This error does not happen for gromacs 4.6.5

 So, I wonder whether this is an unwanted behaviour which has been
 introduced in 4.6.6? Do you think this behavior makes sense ? The official
 release notes for 4.6.6 do not mention changes in g_covar.


Correct, but a change (git hash 972032bfb8) that was intended to fix a
problem observed with g_anaeig also affected code in g_covar (which I have
now corrected in the release notes). The nature of the change seems very
consistent with your observations.

Mark

Best,
 Jan-Philipp Machtens
 
 From: gromacs.org_gmx-users-boun...@maillist.sys.kth.se [
 gromacs.org_gmx-users-boun...@maillist.sys.kth.se] on behalf of Mark
 Abraham [mark.j.abra...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 1:27 PM
 To: Discussion list for GROMACS users
 Subject: Re: [gmx-users] gmx covar (Version 5.x) segfaults with covariance
 matrices bigger than 1500x1500

 Hi,

 IIRC some minor bugs were fixed, but a regression like that should be dealt
 with... please file at http://redmine.gromacs.org.

 Mark

 On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Machtens, Jan-Philipp 
 j.macht...@fz-juelich.de wrote:

  Dear all,
  I observed that g_covar in Gromacs 5.0.2 segfaults at the diagonalization
  step, if the group for the covariance analysis is bigger than 500 atoms,
  i.e. if the covariance matrix is bigger than 1500x1500.
  In my hands, this problem does not arise with g_covar 4.6.x. The results
  obtained from g_covar (version 5.x) on groups = 500 atoms that I
 obtained
  were the same os those from version 4.6.x and also verified manually.
  Memory is not the problem here. The problem is independent on
 single/double
  precision.
 
  Before posting this on redmine.gromacs I first want to check whether
  someone here has made a contradicting experience which would argue
 against
  a possible bug introduced in 5.0.2?
  Thanks.
  Cheers,
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Re: [gmx-users] Avg. Volume in NPT by Small Coupling Time

2014-11-06 Thread Johnny Lu
Assume sampling is sufficient in all stages of simulations.

Will the berendsen barostat with this coupling constant give both the
correct average volume and correct average pressure? (despite the
distribution is not canonical)
Will that average pressure change when I switch to NVT ensemble?

Can I switch to NVT directly (without doing a NPT with PR barostat) for a
while, and then finally go to NVE production run?
(a nature communication paper did that, but didn't report the barostat
coupling constant they used in the NPT simulation.)


On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Mark Abraham mark.j.abra...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi,

 I think that's fine for rapidly forcing the volume to be close to the right
 equilibrium value, with low fluctuations. Then switch to gentler NPT (or
 constant-volume) for making a proper observation of the pressure.

 Mark

 On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Johnny Lu johnny.lu...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi.
 
  How to get an accurate average volume for a system, such that the
 pressure
  will be at 1 bar in a subsequent NVT run using this average volume?
 
  Is it ok to use Berendsen barostat with a very small time constant (0.2
 ps)
  ?
  (At first I picked 0.1ps, gromacs 4.6.7 told me to use at least 0.2 ps).
 
  I was hoping that a smaller time constant would allow the simulation to
  sample the volume more frequently and Berendsen barostat would help the
  system to converge to the correct average volume faster.
 
  What are the possible draw backs?
 
  So far (2 ns), I see that the pressure fluctuation is smaller than a PR
  barostat.
 
  It seems to be fine to use Berendsen barostat for this purpose ( [
 
 
 https://mailman-1.sys.kth.se/pipermail/gromacs.org_gmx-users/2011-February/058453.html
  ]
  )
 
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Re: [gmx-users] Pressure Question

2014-11-06 Thread Johnny Lu
If the problem of using a 11 bar simulation is as big as the problem of
drawing conclusion from a single simulation, I guess I have to get a
pressure closer to 1 bar. Thanks.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Johnny Lu johnny.lu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I see. I'm using the V-rescaling thermostat in all simulations that I ran.
 I don't think I will use NPT for production run.

 I'm trying to get NVE production run in the end.
 If I use NVT production run, I will try to account for the effect of the
 thermostat (I'm not sure I can do that very well).


 On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Mark Abraham mark.j.abra...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi,

 Note that using the Berendsen thermostat in Gromacs adds defects for no
 gain, compared with the Bussi v-rescale thermostat. The latter *is*
 Berendsen, plus a stochastic term that produces the right energy and
 velocity distributions (unlike Berendsen). I'd give serious consideration
 to rejecting a paper that used Gromacs and the Berendsen thermostat,
 particularly if they did not discuss why the known defects of Berendsen
 were acceptable for their work.

 Mark

 On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Johnny Lu johnny.lu...@gmail.com wrote:

  That post in the amber mailing list was quite interesting. May be using
 a
  weak berendsen thermostat in NVT is fine for them. Thanks for sharing
 that.
 
  On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 6:39 AM, Johnny Lu johnny.lu...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   I was not offended by the suggestion. With a sufficiently large
 number of
   water molecules, the protein would behave in the same way, under all
  three
   ensembles.
   Barostat and thermostat are artificial in some way. At least, even the
   diffusion coefficient is different in a force field paper that used
 both
   NVE and NVT. Langevin thermostat destroys some momentum transfer.
  
   This is my first paper, and I don't know if the reviewer will be fine
 if
  I
   report that my simulation has an average pressure of 11 bar with error
  0.5
   bar.
  
  
   On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 5:34 AM, Téletchéa Stéphane 
   stephane.teletc...@univ-nantes.fr wrote:
  
   Le 06/11/2014 06:16, Antonio Baptista a écrit :
  
  
   In particular, the virial-based instantaneous pressure (call it
 P')
   computed in simulations has its ensemble average equal to the
  thermodynamic
   pressure P (check any good book on molecular simulation). But, as
  others
   already pointed out, this P' is well-known to show extremelly large
   fluctuations, meaning that its average computed from the simulation
 has
   usually a very large statistical spread. In other words, although
 the
   ensemble average of P' is strictly equal to P, its simulation
 average
  is a
   random variable that often shows large deviations from P (especially
  for
   short simulations). To get an idea of what is an acceptable error
 for
  the
   average of P', you may look at its distribution histogram in the NPT
   simulation.
  
  
   Dear Antonio,
  
   Sorry if my message sound aggressive when I talked about totally
   irrevelevant, I will clarify my thoughts.
  
   From a theoretical point of view, you are right, each ensemble is
   accessible.
  
   From a biological point of view, though, the concept of fixing the
  volume
   is less reasonable:
   we live at constant pressure and temperature, and also at tighly
   controlled pH, and salt concentrations.
  
   The volume varies though, as you feel it when the weather is getting
 hot
   or cold.
  
   My point was exactly what your are telling in a more formal way than
 me:
   this P' is well-known to show extremely large fluctuations
  
   Well, digging a bit more on my feeling, I also found opposite
  arguments
   on the AMBER mailing list,
   like here: http://archive.ambermd.org/201103/0431.html
  
   So I'll got back again on my research and adjust my mind on the
 actual
   bleeding edge simulations
   taking into account all the recent code and force fields progresses.
  
   Best,
  
   Stéphane
  
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Re: [gmx-users] problem in NPT equilibration

2014-11-06 Thread soumadwip ghosh
Dear Justin,
Thanks for the clarification. I am currently doing the NVT
step and after that I will move forward to the production md run.


Regards,
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[gmx-users] help for strange linear force in Pulling

2014-11-06 Thread Tom
Dear Gromacs User,

I am using the pulling to pull two objects apart with Gomacs 4.6.5.
To avoid the issues of half-box size limitation, i used  direction_periodic
to make two objects apart from each more than half-box-size distance.

I just got the linear force: force change with time linearly. This is wrong.
I don't know for the following setting gmx gives linear force.

--
pull = umbrella
pull_geometry= direction_periodic
pull_dim = Y Y Y
pull_start   = yes   ; define initial COM distance  0
pull_ngroups = 1
pull_group0  = P1
pull_group1  = P2
pull_rate1   = 0.001  ; 0.01 nm per ps = 10 nm per ns
pull_k1  = 500  ; kJ mol^-1 nm^-2
--

this is the  from pullf.xvg:
-
# mdrun_mpi is part of G R O M A C S:
#
# GRowing Old MAkes el Chrono Sweat
@title Pull force
@xaxis  label Time (ps)
@yaxis  label Force (kJ/mol/nm)
@TYPE xy
0.  -0
0.0010  0.0001
0.0020  0.0002
0.0030  0.0003
0.0040  0.0004
0.0050  0.0005
0.0060  0.0006
0.0070  0.0007
---
If I switch pull_geometry  = direction, the result makes sense. there would
be no linear force.

Thanks a lot for the help!

Thomas
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Re: [gmx-users] Frequency dependent dielectric constant

2014-11-06 Thread Bharat Sharma
Hello,

It's a friendly reminder if someone knows how to calculate. Please let me
know.

Thank you.

Bharat
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Re: [gmx-users] Frequency dependent dielectric constant

2014-11-06 Thread David van der Spoel

On 2014-11-06 19:33, Bharat Sharma wrote:

Hello,

It's a friendly reminder if someone knows how to calculate. Please let me
know.

g_dielectric.



Thank you.

Bharat




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[gmx-users] How to exclude atoms within the same molecule from an rdf.

2014-11-06 Thread Stella Nickerson
I'm simulating a mixture of molecules (call them Molecules A, B, and C).
The rdf between A and B and between A and C both look fine, but the one
between A and A is crazy-looking. I assume this is because it's comparing
atoms within the same molecule. I can't figure out how to exclude atoms in
the same molecule from the rdf.

Thanks,

Stella
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[gmx-users] Fwd: Re: Frequency dependent dielectric constant

2014-11-06 Thread David van der Spoel




 Original Message 
Subject:Re: [gmx-users] Frequency dependent dielectric constant
Date:   Thu, 6 Nov 2014 16:23:34 -0500
From:   Bharat Sharma bharatsolbri...@gmail.com
To: sp...@xray.bmc.uu.se



Hello Professor David,
Sorry for sending you a private email.
Thank you for your reply on forum. Is it possible to use external dipole
moment file which has t Mx My Mz  data to calculate autocorrelation
function which is defined as phi (t) =  M(t). M(o)/ M(0)^2.
Autocorrelation file is necessary to use g_dielectric function.

Thank you.

Sincerely,
Bharat Sharma

I have a file like this.

1  -18.4054002593869  -8.63550624406573  13.1822307410726
2  -16.3448281386543  -9.26825538523777  12.6970594193942
3  -16.2122319636283  -9.584079278168  10.1880749346946
4  -16.8000261232119  -9.3544161158981  9.292811661397
5  -16.9675609841484  -8.06386828149236  9.04336117783739
6  -16.705420659386  -8.15253302392368  6.35375835558321
7  -16.3482274903309  -7.42833201686778  2.40403368273462
8  -17.6089611732605  -6.5810524629  1.0191769956
9  -19.1340573022822  -7.31608247201016  1.0593505375146
10  -18.8898972984193  -8.50162965184524  -0.390241915321422
11  -17.3201971209895  -8.88827721892198  -2.91666461388975
12  -17.9697387584415  -10.3820791259894  -3.09327709524195
13  -19.4150366450719  -12.5922697307389  -1.76640044899152
14  -17.2192770802751  -12.719093017379  -1.76633521518987
15  -13.9887596873511  -11.6333686786579  -2.53760673124873
16  -15.631174760539  -11.8671822022606  -1.04251159658716
17  -19.7752453695527  -13.1793702340658  0.669842005269544
18  -20.5031312769212  -12.8221354246758  1.7010916111
19  -20.1714747689171  -11.5235359847683  3.12874014505405
20  -23.4993319248317  -11.1069526872016  5.40262656219366
21  -26.9810468267155  -10.3960073112131  6.66596873251908
22  -25.2970021256126  -8.26285916407095  6.85639239972755
23  -22.3727114023644  -7.29618209094124  7.96149529066325
24  -22.8378886264605  -7.94207228198017  9.4631219697683
25  -23.9479347882939  -8.18332794071831  8.90226933404197
26  -23.4431023794441  -8.57868882479158  7.48452761101869
27  -23.8923601075312  -9.80575680710948  7.74832733959732
28  -26.2650526524463  -11.6213772988559  7.80737869303804
29  -28.726262739164  -11.5765264683748  3.98968339600384
30  -28.8118374367959  -10.5568670286443  1.98998557532743



On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:08 PM, David van der Spoel
sp...@xray.bmc.uu.se mailto:sp...@xray.bmc.uu.se wrote:

On 2014-11-06 19:33, Bharat Sharma wrote:

Hello,

It's a friendly reminder if someone knows how to calculate.
Please let me
know.

g_dielectric.


Thank you.

Bharat



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Re: [gmx-users] How to exclude atoms within the same molecule from an rdf.

2014-11-06 Thread João M . Damas
It's fairly simple: generate a .tpr file with a nrexcl big enough to
exclude self-counts and give it to g_rdf through the -s flag.

João

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 8:42 PM, Stella Nickerson stella.nicker...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I'm simulating a mixture of molecules (call them Molecules A, B, and C).
 The rdf between A and B and between A and C both look fine, but the one
 between A and A is crazy-looking. I assume this is because it's comparing
 atoms within the same molecule. I can't figure out how to exclude atoms in
 the same molecule from the rdf.

 Thanks,

 Stella
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Re: [gmx-users] Fwd: Re: Frequency dependent dielectric constant

2014-11-06 Thread David van der Spoel

On 2014-11-06 22:28, David van der Spoel wrote:




 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Frequency dependent dielectric constant
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 16:23:34 -0500
From: Bharat Sharma bharatsolbri...@gmail.com
To: sp...@xray.bmc.uu.se



Hello Professor David,
Sorry for sending you a private email.
Thank you for your reply on forum. Is it possible to use external dipole
moment file which has t Mx My Mz  data to calculate autocorrelation
function which is defined as phi (t) =  M(t). M(o)/ M(0)^2.
Autocorrelation file is necessary to use g_dielectric function.


Looks like you have not run
gmx dielectric -h
You need the acf which you can produce using gmx dipoles


Thank you.

Sincerely,
Bharat Sharma

I have a file like this.

1  -18.4054002593869  -8.63550624406573  13.1822307410726
2  -16.3448281386543  -9.26825538523777  12.6970594193942
3  -16.2122319636283  -9.584079278168  10.1880749346946
4  -16.8000261232119  -9.3544161158981  9.292811661397
5  -16.9675609841484  -8.06386828149236  9.04336117783739
6  -16.705420659386  -8.15253302392368  6.35375835558321
7  -16.3482274903309  -7.42833201686778  2.40403368273462
8  -17.6089611732605  -6.5810524629  1.0191769956
9  -19.1340573022822  -7.31608247201016  1.0593505375146
10  -18.8898972984193  -8.50162965184524  -0.390241915321422
11  -17.3201971209895  -8.88827721892198  -2.91666461388975
12  -17.9697387584415  -10.3820791259894  -3.09327709524195
13  -19.4150366450719  -12.5922697307389  -1.76640044899152
14  -17.2192770802751  -12.719093017379  -1.76633521518987
15  -13.9887596873511  -11.6333686786579  -2.53760673124873
16  -15.631174760539  -11.8671822022606  -1.04251159658716
17  -19.7752453695527  -13.1793702340658  0.669842005269544
18  -20.5031312769212  -12.8221354246758  1.7010916111
19  -20.1714747689171  -11.5235359847683  3.12874014505405
20  -23.4993319248317  -11.1069526872016  5.40262656219366
21  -26.9810468267155  -10.3960073112131  6.66596873251908
22  -25.2970021256126  -8.26285916407095  6.85639239972755
23  -22.3727114023644  -7.29618209094124  7.96149529066325
24  -22.8378886264605  -7.94207228198017  9.4631219697683
25  -23.9479347882939  -8.18332794071831  8.90226933404197
26  -23.4431023794441  -8.57868882479158  7.48452761101869
27  -23.8923601075312  -9.80575680710948  7.74832733959732
28  -26.2650526524463  -11.6213772988559  7.80737869303804
29  -28.726262739164  -11.5765264683748  3.98968339600384
30  -28.8118374367959  -10.5568670286443  1.98998557532743



On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:08 PM, David van der Spoel
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 On 2014-11-06 19:33, Bharat Sharma wrote:

 Hello,

 It's a friendly reminder if someone knows how to calculate.
 Please let me
 know.

 g_dielectric.


 Thank you.

 Bharat



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[gmx-users] Umbrella sampling ignore hydrogen command -ignh

2014-11-06 Thread Chris Papamitrou
I am trying to perform a simulation regarding the effect that hydration has
on tensile response for my system.  When i looked into the umbrella
sampling tutorial it said to create a start file using the

pdb2gmx -f input.pdb -ignh -ter -o complex.gro

command and was wondering what effect that the -ignh option had on my
simulated results?  do the hydrogens
not get accounted for in this simulation, and if so, how are the
atomic bonds in which the hydrogens are
supposed to be located treated in terms of replacing those hydrogens?
does this mean i am doing a
united atom model ?




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Re: [gmx-users] Version problem

2014-11-06 Thread Johnny Lu
can look for all files with name mdrun by

$ find / -name mdrun *  mdrun_search
and then
$ cat mdrun_search


On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Erik Marklund erik.markl...@chem.ox.ac.uk
wrote:

 Hi,

 'which mdrun' only tells you the location of the mdrun you're currently
 using and is no good here. How did you install 5.0.2? The CMake files
 should tell you where installation directory is.

 Kind regards,
 Erik

 On 6 Nov 2014, at 11:43, sa...@physics.iisc.ernet.in wrote:

 
  tried which mdrun
  showing the path /usr/bin/mdrun, which v4.6.5, however I have downloaded
  v5.0.2.tar.gz and used for installation.
 
 
  try to find mdrun program by typing this command on terminal:
  which mdrun
  will show path of mdrun program where it located.
  On Nov 6, 2014 4:01 PM, sa...@physics.iisc.ernet.in wrote:
 
  Dear Dr. Carsten Kutzner,
   I am unable to find the gmx5/bin/GMXRC in my machine,
  used 'locate' and 'find' to search the location.
  However I have source the following:
  source /usr/share/gromacs/shell-specific/GMXRC.bashrc
  Without this also mdrun is running. I am definitely missing something.
  Kindly help.
 
  With best regards,
 
  Satya
 
  On 06 Nov 2014, at 07:15, sa...@physics.iisc.ernet.in wrote:
 
  Dear all,
  I am new to GROMACS, just finish installation of v5.0.2, started
  reading
  online manual, as instructed executed the command: mdrun -version and
  the
  printout pasted below.
 
  It is printing GROMACS version 4.6.5, however I have installed
  version
  5.0.2. What is the problem?
  Find the directory to where you have installed your GROMACS 5.0
  executables
  and then do
 
  source /path/to/gmx5/bin/GMXRC
 
  which mdrun
 
  should now give you the 5.0 mdrun
 
  Carsten
 
 
  Regards,
  Satyabrata Das
 
 
 ==
  Program: mdrun
  Gromacs version:VERSION 4.6.5
  Precision:  single
  Memory model:   64 bit
  MPI library:thread_mpi
  OpenMP support: enabled
  GPU support:disabled
  invsqrt routine:gmx_software_invsqrt(x)
  CPU acceleration:   SSE4.1
  FFT library:fftw-3.3.3-sse2-avx
  Large file support: enabled
  RDTSCP usage:   enabled
  Built on:   Sun Dec 15 04:01:11 UTC 2013
  Built by:   buildd@panlong [CMAKE]
  Build OS/arch:  Linux 3.2.0-37-generic x86_64
  Build CPU vendor:   GenuineIntel
  Build CPU brand:Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU   E5620  @ 2.40GHz
  Build CPU family:   6   Model: 44   Stepping: 2
  Build CPU features: aes apic clfsh cmov cx8 cx16 htt lahf_lm mmx msr
  nonstop_tsc pcid pclmuldq pdcm pdpe1gb popcnt pse rdtscp sse2 sse3
  sse4.1
  sse4.2 ssse3
  C compiler: /usr/bin/x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc GNU gcc-4.8.real
  (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.8.2-10ubuntu1) 4.8.2
  C compiler flags:   -msse4.1-Wextra
  -Wno-missing-field-initializers
  -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wno-unused -Wunused-value
  -Wno-unused-parameter
  -Wno-array-bounds -Wno-maybe-uninitialized -Wno-strict-overflow
  -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-all-loops -fexcess-precision=fast  -O3
  -DNDEBUG
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Re: [gmx-users] Version problem

2014-11-06 Thread Johnny Lu
I typed an extra space that shouldn't be there.

$ find / -name mdrun*  mdrun_search

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Johnny Lu johnny.lu...@gmail.com wrote:

 can look for all files with name mdrun by

 $ find / -name mdrun *  mdrun_search
 and then
 $ cat mdrun_search


 On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Erik Marklund erik.markl...@chem.ox.ac.uk
  wrote:

 Hi,

 'which mdrun' only tells you the location of the mdrun you're currently
 using and is no good here. How did you install 5.0.2? The CMake files
 should tell you where installation directory is.

 Kind regards,
 Erik

 On 6 Nov 2014, at 11:43, sa...@physics.iisc.ernet.in wrote:

 
  tried which mdrun
  showing the path /usr/bin/mdrun, which v4.6.5, however I have downloaded
  v5.0.2.tar.gz and used for installation.
 
 
  try to find mdrun program by typing this command on terminal:
  which mdrun
  will show path of mdrun program where it located.
  On Nov 6, 2014 4:01 PM, sa...@physics.iisc.ernet.in wrote:
 
  Dear Dr. Carsten Kutzner,
   I am unable to find the gmx5/bin/GMXRC in my machine,
  used 'locate' and 'find' to search the location.
  However I have source the following:
  source /usr/share/gromacs/shell-specific/GMXRC.bashrc
  Without this also mdrun is running. I am definitely missing something.
  Kindly help.
 
  With best regards,
 
  Satya
 
  On 06 Nov 2014, at 07:15, sa...@physics.iisc.ernet.in wrote:
 
  Dear all,
  I am new to GROMACS, just finish installation of v5.0.2, started
  reading
  online manual, as instructed executed the command: mdrun -version
 and
  the
  printout pasted below.
 
  It is printing GROMACS version 4.6.5, however I have installed
  version
  5.0.2. What is the problem?
  Find the directory to where you have installed your GROMACS 5.0
  executables
  and then do
 
  source /path/to/gmx5/bin/GMXRC
 
  which mdrun
 
  should now give you the 5.0 mdrun
 
  Carsten
 
 
  Regards,
  Satyabrata Das
 
 
 ==
  Program: mdrun
  Gromacs version:VERSION 4.6.5
  Precision:  single
  Memory model:   64 bit
  MPI library:thread_mpi
  OpenMP support: enabled
  GPU support:disabled
  invsqrt routine:gmx_software_invsqrt(x)
  CPU acceleration:   SSE4.1
  FFT library:fftw-3.3.3-sse2-avx
  Large file support: enabled
  RDTSCP usage:   enabled
  Built on:   Sun Dec 15 04:01:11 UTC 2013
  Built by:   buildd@panlong [CMAKE]
  Build OS/arch:  Linux 3.2.0-37-generic x86_64
  Build CPU vendor:   GenuineIntel
  Build CPU brand:Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU   E5620  @ 2.40GHz
  Build CPU family:   6   Model: 44   Stepping: 2
  Build CPU features: aes apic clfsh cmov cx8 cx16 htt lahf_lm mmx msr
  nonstop_tsc pcid pclmuldq pdcm pdpe1gb popcnt pse rdtscp sse2 sse3
  sse4.1
  sse4.2 ssse3
  C compiler: /usr/bin/x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc GNU gcc-4.8.real
  (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.8.2-10ubuntu1) 4.8.2
  C compiler flags:   -msse4.1-Wextra
  -Wno-missing-field-initializers
  -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wno-unused -Wunused-value
  -Wno-unused-parameter
  -Wno-array-bounds -Wno-maybe-uninitialized -Wno-strict-overflow
  -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-all-loops -fexcess-precision=fast  -O3
  -DNDEBUG
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Re: [gmx-users] centering a protofibril in a box

2014-11-06 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 11/6/14 10:58 AM, Adriana Garro wrote:

Thanks Justin.
I know it was not enough clear, it was because of my limited English
proficiency.
What I wanted (and want) to do is centering the first monomer of the
protofibril in the box, so the protofibril would be shifted to the bottom
part allowing aggregate more and more monomers without having to use a
bigger box.
But using this

trjconv -f protofibril.pdb -n index.ndx -center -s  protofibril.pdb -o
test.pdb

(index.ndx  is an index I did for the residues corresponding to the first
monomer and that is which I chose as select group for centering)

what I get is that the center of the box matches with the center of the
protofibril (looking at the longitudinal direction of the protofibril), as
it doesnt care about the index.


I suppose it depends on the dimensions of the box as defined in the .pdb file.


By the way, do you know why  -s file.pdb is required?


In general, it depends on what you're actually doing.  The information in -s may 
be used for box information, masses, atom/residue names, etc.  In this case, 
trjconv needs names.  Any time you want to write a coordinate file, you need to 
supply a suitable input for -s.



Maybe it is not possible to do what I want with this command; but it is
just center the protofibril with respect to its first monomer.
I will try with editconf instead.


That would likely be easiest.  Extract the COM coordinates using g_traj, then 
you know exactly how much you need to translate the structure.


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] Umbrella sampling ignore hydrogen command -ignh

2014-11-06 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 11/6/14 4:53 PM, Chris Papamitrou wrote:

I am trying to perform a simulation regarding the effect that hydration has
on tensile response for my system.  When i looked into the umbrella
sampling tutorial it said to create a start file using the

pdb2gmx -f input.pdb -ignh -ter -o complex.gro

command and was wondering what effect that the -ignh option had on my
simulated results?  do the hydrogens
not get accounted for in this simulation, and if so, how are the
atomic bonds in which the hydrogens are
supposed to be located treated in terms of replacing those hydrogens?
does this mean i am doing a
united atom model ?



Start with pdb2gmx -h.  The -ignh has a very simple purpose, and it's used 
mostly for working around nomenclature issues.


Whether or not you use a united-atom force field is entirely up to you, based on 
what you choose.


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] Pressure Question

2014-11-06 Thread Antonio Baptista

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014, Téletchéa Stéphane wrote:


Le 06/11/2014 06:16, Antonio Baptista a écrit :


In particular, the virial-based instantaneous pressure (call it P') 
computed in simulations has its ensemble average equal to the thermodynamic 
pressure P (check any good book on molecular simulation). But, as others 
already pointed out, this P' is well-known to show extremelly large 
fluctuations, meaning that its average computed from the simulation has 
usually a very large statistical spread. In other words, although the 
ensemble average of P' is strictly equal to P, its simulation average is a 
random variable that often shows large deviations from P (especially for 
short simulations). To get an idea of what is an acceptable error for the 
average of P', you may look at its distribution histogram in the NPT 
simulation. 


Dear Antonio,

Sorry if my message sound aggressive when I talked about totally 
irrevelevant, I will clarify my thoughts.


No problem, Stéphane. I was just trying to avoid propagating the wrong 
idea that a parameter is irrelevant in an ensemble where its value is not 
explicitly imposed, an idea I saw stated before in several discussions. 
Anyway, it seems I misunderstood you, since you say you were actually 
making the same point... :)


Best,
Antonio



From a theoretical point of view, you are right, each ensemble is accessible.

From a biological point of view, though, the concept of fixing the volume is 
less reasonable:
we live at constant pressure and temperature, and also at tighly controlled 
pH, and salt concentrations.


The volume varies though, as you feel it when the weather is getting hot or 
cold.


My point was exactly what your are telling in a more formal way than me:
this P' is well-known to show extremely large fluctuations

Well, digging a bit more on my feeling, I also found opposite arguments on 
the AMBER mailing list,

like here: http://archive.ambermd.org/201103/0431.html

So I'll got back again on my research and adjust my mind on the actual 
bleeding edge simulations

taking into account all the recent code and force fields progresses.

Best,

Stéphane

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Re: [gmx-users] Charmm to gromacs conversion for lipids

2014-11-06 Thread Venkat Reddy
Dear Justin,
Please check the atom section of toppar_all36_lipid_cholesterol.str file
that I pasted below.

* Toppar stream file for cholesterol.  Stream following reading of
* top_all36_lipid.rtf  and par_all36_lipid.rtf

!reference
!Suits, F., Pitman, M., MacKerell, A.D., Jr., Feller, S.E. Molecular Level
!Organization of Saturated and Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids in a
!Phosphatidylcholine Bilayer Containing Cholesterol Submitted
!for publication

read rtf card append
* cholesterol residues
*

RESI CHL1  0.00  !cholesterol (name to avoid conflict with choline)
! atoms names correspond to the correct cholesterol nomenclature
GROUP
ATOM C3   CTL1 0.14
ATOM O3   OHL -0.66
ATOM H3'  HOL  0.43
ATOM H3   HAL1 0.09
GROUP
ATOM C4   CTL2-0.18
ATOM H4A  HAL2 0.09
ATOM H4B  HAL2 0.09
GROUP
ATOM C5   CEL1 0.00
ATOM C6   CEL1-0.15
ATOM H6   HEL1 0.15
GROUP
ATOM C7   CTL2-0.18
ATOM H7A  HAL2 0.09
ATOM H7B  HAL2 0.09
GROUP
ATOM C8   CTL1-0.09
ATOM H8   HAL1 0.09
GROUP
ATOM C14  CTL1-0.09
ATOM H14  HAL1 0.09
GROUP
ATOM C15  CTL2-0.18
ATOM H15A HAL2 0.09
ATOM H15B HAL2 0.09
GROUP
ATOM C16  CTL2-0.18
ATOM H16A HAL2 0.09
ATOM H16B HAL2 0.09
GROUP
ATOM C17  CTL1-0.09
ATOM H17  HAL1 0.09
GROUP
ATOM C13  CTL1 0.00
GROUP
ATOM C18  CTL3-0.27  !methyl at c13
ATOM H18A HAL3 0.09
ATOM H18B HAL3 0.09
ATOM H18C HAL3 0.09
GROUP
ATOM C12  CTL2-0.18
ATOM H12A HAL2 0.09
ATOM H12B HAL2 0.09
GROUP
ATOM C11  CTL2-0.18
ATOM H11A HAL2 0.09
ATOM H11B HAL2 0.09
GROUP
ATOM C9   CTL1-0.09
ATOM H9   HAL1 0.09
GROUP
ATOM C10  CTL1 0.00
GROUP
ATOM C19  CTL3-0.27  !methyl at c10
ATOM H19A HAL3 0.09
ATOM H19B HAL3 0.09
ATOM H19C HAL3 0.09
GROUP
ATOM C1   CTL2-0.18
ATOM H1A  HAL2 0.09
ATOM H1B  HAL2 0.09
GROUP
ATOM C2   CTL2-0.18
ATOM H2A  HAL2 0.09
ATOM H2B  HAL2 0.09
GROUP
ATOM C20  CTL2-0.09
ATOM H20  HAL2 0.09
GROUP
ATOM C21  CTL3-0.27
ATOM H21A HAL3 0.09
ATOM H21B HAL3 0.09
ATOM H21C HAL3 0.09
GROUP
ATOM C22  CTL2-0.18
ATOM H22A HAL2 0.09
ATOM H22B HAL2 0.09
GROUP
ATOM C23  CTL2-0.18
ATOM H23A HAL2 0.09
ATOM H23B HAL2 0.09
GROUP
ATOM C24  CTL2-0.18  !beyond this nomenclature may not be correct
ATOM H24A HAL2 0.09
ATOM H24B HAL2 0.09
GROUP
ATOM C25  CTL1-0.09  !c25
ATOM H25  HAL1 0.09
GROUP
ATOM C26  CTL3-0.27  !terminal methyl, c26
ATOM H26A HAL3 0.09
ATOM H26B HAL3 0.09
ATOM H26C HAL3 0.09
GROUP
ATOM C27  CTL3-0.27  !terminal methyl, c27
ATOM H27A HAL3 0.09
ATOM H27B HAL3 0.09
ATOM H27C HAL3 0.09

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:



 On 11/6/14 8:38 AM, Venkat Reddy wrote:

 Dear Justin,
 Yes, the problem is with the blank line at the end of atomtypes.atp. Now
 its working fine. I have added the missing dihedral types from other
 sources.


 Thanks, I will fix that.

  I have compared the cholesterol CHARMM parameters that are converted to
 gromacs format and original parameters from
 toppar_all36_lipid_cholesterol.str file available in CHARMM website. I
 found some variations in the atom types.

 For eg., The atom type of  C3 atom from sterol ring in cholesterol is CTL1
 in CHARMM whereas it is CG311 in charmm36-Nov2014.ff.


 Which residue are you looking at?  There is no C3 atom with type CTL1 in
 that stream file.  In any case, CG311 and CTL1 have identical parameters
 (see ffnonbonded.itp) since CG311 is used for CGenFF model compounds, which
 in the case of lipids, were just ported over and given unique types.
 Anything with a G as the second letter in the atom type is from CGenFF,
 indicating general to differentiate them from the main CHARMM types.


 -Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] Very large Max Force [Energy minimisation] in water with ions

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Re: [gmx-users] centering a protofibril in a box

2014-11-06 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar
Hi Adriana,

Centering only shifts the positions. I guess you also want to put stuff
back into the box and then make the molecules whole. You'll probably need
several passes to get what you want.

Cheers,

Tsjerk
On Nov 6, 2014 11:54 PM, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:



 On 11/6/14 10:58 AM, Adriana Garro wrote:

 Thanks Justin.
 I know it was not enough clear, it was because of my limited English
 proficiency.
 What I wanted (and want) to do is centering the first monomer of the
 protofibril in the box, so the protofibril would be shifted to the bottom
 part allowing aggregate more and more monomers without having to use a
 bigger box.
 But using this

 trjconv -f protofibril.pdb -n index.ndx -center -s  protofibril.pdb -o
 test.pdb

 (index.ndx  is an index I did for the residues corresponding to the first
 monomer and that is which I chose as select group for centering)

 what I get is that the center of the box matches with the center of the
 protofibril (looking at the longitudinal direction of the protofibril), as
 it doesnt care about the index.


 I suppose it depends on the dimensions of the box as defined in the .pdb
 file.

  By the way, do you know why  -s file.pdb is required?


 In general, it depends on what you're actually doing.  The information in
 -s may be used for box information, masses, atom/residue names, etc.  In
 this case, trjconv needs names.  Any time you want to write a coordinate
 file, you need to supply a suitable input for -s.

  Maybe it is not possible to do what I want with this command; but it is
 just center the protofibril with respect to its first monomer.
 I will try with editconf instead.


 That would likely be easiest.  Extract the COM coordinates using g_traj,
 then you know exactly how much you need to translate the structure.

 -Justin

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[gmx-users] smd

2014-11-06 Thread Yixin Ai
Dear everyone,
i want to use gromacs to perform the steered molecular dynamcs simulation. 
My system is the protein-ligand complex in the center of the box an i want to 
pull out of the ligand form the protein ative site.  i have set the pbc in my 
mdp file.  However,  after simulation, i find that the ligand out of the box 
and get into the next unit cell. How does this make sense? should i the box 
larger to keep the liand in the original unit cell?
 




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