Re: [gmx-users] Forcefield parameters for Zinc

2015-03-17 Thread Emma A

  Hi,
  Related to the Zn-parameters; where can I find the reference (author,
  journal, year) to the sigma and epsilon (1.95998e-01  5.23000e-02)
  parameters that I find in /gromacs/top/amber99sb.ff/ffnonbonded.itp for 
[
  atomtypes ] Zn.
 
  I would like to use amber99sb force field in my Gromacs simulation of a 
Zn-
  containing protein.
 
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Leandro Bortot leandro.obt@... writes:

 
 Hi Emma,
 
  Just sharing some experience here: I tried to use the AMBER99SB-ILDN
 forcefield, which has the same Zn parameter as AMBER99SB, for simulating a
 Zn-binding protein and it was actually not possible to study the Zn-
binding
 process.
  This happens essentially because it is not a good approximation to
 consider Zn2+ as a charged sphere and expect it to bind strongly to CysH,
 or even Cys-, and to His during the simulations because these are not
 simple charge-charge interactions.
 
  Some approaches for better results are to use a tetrahedral model for
 zinc (Cationic Dummy Atom Approach), use His-Zn and Cys-Zn bonding
 parameters or to perform QM/MM.
  I don't know about the tetrahedral model, but using bonding 
parameters
 will certainly ensure the bonded state. I believe you can find such
 parameters for AMBER99SB in the literature.
 
 I hope it helps,
 Leandro.

Hi Leandro,
thanks for your reply.
I did not expect the parameters for Zn in Amber99sb to work directly (I was 
thinking of adding distance restraints on Zn-His interaction). However in a 
short equilibration the parameters did work and the Zn stayed in the protein 
as it should. So I would like to know more about the work behind these LJ 
sigma and epsilon parameters and how the were chosen and evaluated. 

Does anyone know where I find the reference to the LJ sigma and epsilon 
parameters that I find in /gromacs/top/amber99sb.ff/ffnonbonded.itp for 
[atomtypes ] Zn?

Best regards,
Emma





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Re: [gmx-users] Forcefield parameters for Zinc

2015-03-16 Thread Leandro Bortot
Hi Emma,

 Just sharing some experience here: I tried to use the AMBER99SB-ILDN
forcefield, which has the same Zn parameter as AMBER99SB, for simulating a
Zn-binding protein and it was actually not possible to study the Zn-binding
process.
 This happens essentially because it is not a good approximation to
consider Zn2+ as a charged sphere and expect it to bind strongly to CysH,
or even Cys-, and to His during the simulations because these are not
simple charge-charge interactions.


 Some approaches for better results are to use a tetrahedral model for
zinc (Cationic Dummy Atom Approach), use His-Zn and Cys-Zn bonding
parameters or to perform QM/MM.
 I don't know about the tetrahedral model, but using bonding parameters
will certainly ensure the bonded state. I believe you can find such
parameters for AMBER99SB in the literature.


I hope it helps,
Leandro.



On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Emma A emma.ahlstr...@lnu.se wrote:

 Piggot T. T.Piggot@... writes:

 
  Hi Mike,
 
  As well as the link that Bipin sent, you can also get parameters for
 GROMOS phosphorylated residues
  (compatible with the 43A1 force field, I think) from:
 
  http://www.gromacs.org/Downloads/User_contributions/Force_fields
 
  I've never used either so have no idea which might be better. The ones
 that Binpin suggested look like they
  work with the newer GROMOS 54A7 force field, so they might be the ones to
 use.
 
  On your other question, I am not sure about the protein-zinc parameters
 with a GROMOS force field. I would
  say, is there any particular need for using one of the GROMOS protein
 force fields? There are definitely
  parameters out there for some of the all-atom protein force fields (e.g.
 AMBER ones) which are probably
  also better in terms of protein parameters.
 
  Cheers
 
  Tom
 
  PS: Hope things are good in the (relatively) new job!
  
  From: gromacs.org_gmx-users-bounces@...
  [gromacs.org_gmx-users-bounces@...] on behalf
  of Michael Carter [Michael.Carter@...]
  Sent: 20 August 2014 12:56
  To: gmx-users@...
  Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Forcefield parameters for Zinc and
 phosphorylated
 residues
 
  Hi Bipin,
 
  Thanks for this. It works well for adding functionality to residues.
 
  Cheers,
  Mike Carter
 
  On 20/08/2014 12:10, bipin singh bipinelmat@... wrote:
 
  This might help.
  
  http://vienna-ptm.univie.ac.at/
  
  
  
  *Thanks and Regards,Bipin Singh*
  
  
  
  On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Michael Carter Michael.Carter@...
  wrote:
  
   Hi,
  
   I have two questions regarding the parameterisation of Zinc ions and a
   phosphorylated TYR residue within two different protein systems.
  
  
1.  Zinc parameters:
  
   I have three zinc ions within one protein system. I want to use a
 bonded
   model so that they do not fly out of my protein upon simulation. Is
  there
   any documentation on the parameters for such a model in the GROMOS
   forcefield?
  
   2. Phosphorylated TYR
  
   In another system I have a phosphorylated TYR residue. PDB2GMX does
 not
   like this and after looking inot the manual I have found that you can
  add
   parameters for this to the existing forcefields. Much like the
 previous
   question, is there any documentation on the addition of parameters for
   phosphorylated residues in the GROMOS forcefield?
  
   Any pointers for these questions would be greatly appreciated.
  
   Cheers,
   Mike Carter
  
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Re: [gmx-users] Forcefield parameters for Zinc

2015-03-16 Thread Emma A
Piggot T. T.Piggot@... writes:

 
 Hi Mike,
 
 As well as the link that Bipin sent, you can also get parameters for 
GROMOS phosphorylated residues
 (compatible with the 43A1 force field, I think) from:
 
 http://www.gromacs.org/Downloads/User_contributions/Force_fields
 
 I've never used either so have no idea which might be better. The ones 
that Binpin suggested look like they
 work with the newer GROMOS 54A7 force field, so they might be the ones to 
use.
 
 On your other question, I am not sure about the protein-zinc parameters 
with a GROMOS force field. I would
 say, is there any particular need for using one of the GROMOS protein 
force fields? There are definitely
 parameters out there for some of the all-atom protein force fields (e.g. 
AMBER ones) which are probably
 also better in terms of protein parameters.
 
 Cheers
 
 Tom
 
 PS: Hope things are good in the (relatively) new job!
 
 From: gromacs.org_gmx-users-bounces@...
 [gromacs.org_gmx-users-bounces@...] on behalf
 of Michael Carter [Michael.Carter@...]
 Sent: 20 August 2014 12:56
 To: gmx-users@...
 Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Forcefield parameters for Zinc and phosphorylated 
residues
 
 Hi Bipin,
 
 Thanks for this. It works well for adding functionality to residues.
 
 Cheers,
 Mike Carter
 
 On 20/08/2014 12:10, bipin singh bipinelmat@... wrote:
 
 This might help.
 
 http://vienna-ptm.univie.ac.at/
 
 
 
 *Thanks and Regards,Bipin Singh*
 
 
 
 On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Michael Carter Michael.Carter@...
 wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  I have two questions regarding the parameterisation of Zinc ions and a
  phosphorylated TYR residue within two different protein systems.
 
 
   1.  Zinc parameters:
 
  I have three zinc ions within one protein system. I want to use a 
bonded
  model so that they do not fly out of my protein upon simulation. Is
 there
  any documentation on the parameters for such a model in the GROMOS
  forcefield?
 
  2. Phosphorylated TYR
 
  In another system I have a phosphorylated TYR residue. PDB2GMX does not
  like this and after looking inot the manual I have found that you can
 add
  parameters for this to the existing forcefields. Much like the previous
  question, is there any documentation on the addition of parameters for
  phosphorylated residues in the GROMOS forcefield?
 
  Any pointers for these questions would be greatly appreciated.
 
  Cheers,
  Mike Carter
 
  The Institute of Cancer Research: Royal Cancer Hospital, a charitable
  Company Limited by Guarantee, Registered in England under Company No.
  534147 with its Registered Office at 123 Old Brompton Road, London SW7
 3RP.
 
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Hi,
Related to the Zn-parameters; where can I find the reference (author, 
journal, year) to the sigma and epsilon (1.95998e-01  5.23000e-02) 
parameters that I find in /gromacs/top/amber99sb.ff/ffnonbonded.itp for [ 
atomtypes ] Zn.

I would like to use amber99sb force field in my Gromacs simulation of a Zn-
containing protein.

Best regards,
Emma 

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Re: [gmx-users] Forcefield parameters for Zinc and phosphorylated residues

2014-08-21 Thread Piggot T.
Hi,

QM parameterisation is how people tend to have done it for things like 
copper-bound proteins with GROMOS. I have been recently simulating one of these 
copper-bound proteins using a GROMOS force field (and indeed an AMBER force 
field too). I can send you a couple of papers regarding the GROMOS 
parameterisation for this protein off list if you like, so you can at least see 
their parameterisation methods for the copper centre?

Cheers

Tom

From: gromacs.org_gmx-users-boun...@maillist.sys.kth.se 
[gromacs.org_gmx-users-boun...@maillist.sys.kth.se] on behalf of Michael Carter 
[michael.car...@icr.ac.uk]
Sent: 21 August 2014 13:10
To: gmx-us...@gromacs.org
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Forcefield parameters for Zinc and phosphorylated 
residues

Hi Tom,

Thanks, I will look into it.

I know AMBER has the ZAFF forcefield, and I have done the simulation in AMBER, 
but I wanted to know if GROMOS forcefields have this capability. I will have a 
play and see what I can do, most likely I will do a small QM/MM run and use 
this to parameterise the Zinc ions.

Thanks for the help.

Cheers,
Mike

From: gromacs.org_gmx-users-boun...@maillist.sys.kth.se 
[gromacs.org_gmx-users-boun...@maillist.sys.kth.se] On Behalf Of Piggot T. 
[t.pig...@soton.ac.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 4:46 PM
To: gmx-us...@gromacs.org
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Forcefield parameters for Zinc and phosphorylated 
residues

Hi Mike,

As well as the link that Bipin sent, you can also get parameters for GROMOS 
phosphorylated residues (compatible with the 43A1 force field, I think) from:

http://www.gromacs.org/Downloads/User_contributions/Force_fields

I've never used either so have no idea which might be better. The ones that 
Binpin suggested look like they work with the newer GROMOS 54A7 force field, so 
they might be the ones to use.

On your other question, I am not sure about the protein-zinc parameters with a 
GROMOS force field. I would say, is there any particular need for using one of 
the GROMOS protein force fields? There are definitely parameters out there for 
some of the all-atom protein force fields (e.g. AMBER ones) which are probably 
also better in terms of protein parameters.

Cheers

Tom

PS: Hope things are good in the (relatively) new job!

From: gromacs.org_gmx-users-boun...@maillist.sys.kth.se 
[gromacs.org_gmx-users-boun...@maillist.sys.kth.se] on behalf of Michael Carter 
[michael.car...@icr.ac.uk]
Sent: 20 August 2014 12:56
To: gmx-us...@gromacs.org
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Forcefield parameters for Zinc and phosphorylated 
residues

Hi Bipin,

Thanks for this. It works well for adding functionality to residues.

Cheers,
Mike Carter


On 20/08/2014 12:10, bipin singh bipinel...@gmail.com wrote:

This might help.

http://vienna-ptm.univie.ac.at/



*Thanks and Regards,Bipin Singh*



On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Michael Carter michael.car...@icr.ac.uk
wrote:

 Hi,

 I have two questions regarding the parameterisation of Zinc ions and a
 phosphorylated TYR residue within two different protein systems.


  1.  Zinc parameters:

 I have three zinc ions within one protein system. I want to use a bonded
 model so that they do not fly out of my protein upon simulation. Is
there
 any documentation on the parameters for such a model in the GROMOS
 forcefield?

 2. Phosphorylated TYR

 In another system I have a phosphorylated TYR residue. PDB2GMX does not
 like this and after looking inot the manual I have found that you can
add
 parameters for this to the existing forcefields. Much like the previous
 question, is there any documentation on the addition of parameters for
 phosphorylated residues in the GROMOS forcefield?

 Any pointers for these questions would be greatly appreciated.

 Cheers,
 Mike Carter

 The Institute of Cancer Research: Royal Cancer Hospital, a charitable
 Company Limited by Guarantee, Registered in England under Company No.
 534147 with its Registered Office at 123 Old Brompton Road, London SW7
3RP.

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[gmx-users] Forcefield parameters for Zinc and phosphorylated residues

2014-08-20 Thread Michael Carter
Hi,

I have two questions regarding the parameterisation of Zinc ions and a 
phosphorylated TYR residue within two different protein systems.


 1.  Zinc parameters:

I have three zinc ions within one protein system. I want to use a bonded model 
so that they do not fly out of my protein upon simulation. Is there any 
documentation on the parameters for such a model in the GROMOS forcefield?

2. Phosphorylated TYR

In another system I have a phosphorylated TYR residue. PDB2GMX does not like 
this and after looking inot the manual I have found that you can add parameters 
for this to the existing forcefields. Much like the previous question, is there 
any documentation on the addition of parameters for phosphorylated residues in 
the GROMOS forcefield?

Any pointers for these questions would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
Mike Carter

The Institute of Cancer Research: Royal Cancer Hospital, a charitable Company 
Limited by Guarantee, Registered in England under Company No. 534147 with its 
Registered Office at 123 Old Brompton Road, London SW7 3RP.

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Re: [gmx-users] Forcefield parameters for Zinc and phosphorylated residues

2014-08-20 Thread bipin singh
This might help.

http://vienna-ptm.univie.ac.at/



*Thanks and Regards,Bipin Singh*



On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Michael Carter michael.car...@icr.ac.uk
wrote:

 Hi,

 I have two questions regarding the parameterisation of Zinc ions and a
 phosphorylated TYR residue within two different protein systems.


  1.  Zinc parameters:

 I have three zinc ions within one protein system. I want to use a bonded
 model so that they do not fly out of my protein upon simulation. Is there
 any documentation on the parameters for such a model in the GROMOS
 forcefield?

 2. Phosphorylated TYR

 In another system I have a phosphorylated TYR residue. PDB2GMX does not
 like this and after looking inot the manual I have found that you can add
 parameters for this to the existing forcefields. Much like the previous
 question, is there any documentation on the addition of parameters for
 phosphorylated residues in the GROMOS forcefield?

 Any pointers for these questions would be greatly appreciated.

 Cheers,
 Mike Carter

 The Institute of Cancer Research: Royal Cancer Hospital, a charitable
 Company Limited by Guarantee, Registered in England under Company No.
 534147 with its Registered Office at 123 Old Brompton Road, London SW7 3RP.

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Re: [gmx-users] Forcefield parameters for Zinc and phosphorylated residues

2014-08-20 Thread Michael Carter
Hi Bipin,

Thanks for this. It works well for adding functionality to residues.

Cheers,
Mike Carter


On 20/08/2014 12:10, bipin singh bipinel...@gmail.com wrote:

This might help.

http://vienna-ptm.univie.ac.at/



*Thanks and Regards,Bipin Singh*



On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Michael Carter michael.car...@icr.ac.uk
wrote:

 Hi,

 I have two questions regarding the parameterisation of Zinc ions and a
 phosphorylated TYR residue within two different protein systems.


  1.  Zinc parameters:

 I have three zinc ions within one protein system. I want to use a bonded
 model so that they do not fly out of my protein upon simulation. Is
there
 any documentation on the parameters for such a model in the GROMOS
 forcefield?

 2. Phosphorylated TYR

 In another system I have a phosphorylated TYR residue. PDB2GMX does not
 like this and after looking inot the manual I have found that you can
add
 parameters for this to the existing forcefields. Much like the previous
 question, is there any documentation on the addition of parameters for
 phosphorylated residues in the GROMOS forcefield?

 Any pointers for these questions would be greatly appreciated.

 Cheers,
 Mike Carter

 The Institute of Cancer Research: Royal Cancer Hospital, a charitable
 Company Limited by Guarantee, Registered in England under Company No.
 534147 with its Registered Office at 123 Old Brompton Road, London SW7
3RP.

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Re: [gmx-users] Forcefield parameters for Zinc and phosphorylated residues

2014-08-20 Thread Piggot T.
Hi Mike,

As well as the link that Bipin sent, you can also get parameters for GROMOS 
phosphorylated residues (compatible with the 43A1 force field, I think) from:

http://www.gromacs.org/Downloads/User_contributions/Force_fields

I've never used either so have no idea which might be better. The ones that 
Binpin suggested look like they work with the newer GROMOS 54A7 force field, so 
they might be the ones to use.

On your other question, I am not sure about the protein-zinc parameters with a 
GROMOS force field. I would say, is there any particular need for using one of 
the GROMOS protein force fields? There are definitely parameters out there for 
some of the all-atom protein force fields (e.g. AMBER ones) which are probably 
also better in terms of protein parameters.

Cheers

Tom

PS: Hope things are good in the (relatively) new job!

From: gromacs.org_gmx-users-boun...@maillist.sys.kth.se 
[gromacs.org_gmx-users-boun...@maillist.sys.kth.se] on behalf of Michael Carter 
[michael.car...@icr.ac.uk]
Sent: 20 August 2014 12:56
To: gmx-us...@gromacs.org
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Forcefield parameters for Zinc and phosphorylated 
residues

Hi Bipin,

Thanks for this. It works well for adding functionality to residues.

Cheers,
Mike Carter


On 20/08/2014 12:10, bipin singh bipinel...@gmail.com wrote:

This might help.

http://vienna-ptm.univie.ac.at/



*Thanks and Regards,Bipin Singh*



On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Michael Carter michael.car...@icr.ac.uk
wrote:

 Hi,

 I have two questions regarding the parameterisation of Zinc ions and a
 phosphorylated TYR residue within two different protein systems.


  1.  Zinc parameters:

 I have three zinc ions within one protein system. I want to use a bonded
 model so that they do not fly out of my protein upon simulation. Is
there
 any documentation on the parameters for such a model in the GROMOS
 forcefield?

 2. Phosphorylated TYR

 In another system I have a phosphorylated TYR residue. PDB2GMX does not
 like this and after looking inot the manual I have found that you can
add
 parameters for this to the existing forcefields. Much like the previous
 question, is there any documentation on the addition of parameters for
 phosphorylated residues in the GROMOS forcefield?

 Any pointers for these questions would be greatly appreciated.

 Cheers,
 Mike Carter

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