Re: [gmx-users] dipole moment of water using TIP3P model

2019-05-10 Thread Justin Lemkul




On 5/9/19 6:54 AM, Sabreen Farnaz wrote:

Dear Users,
It is known that electric dipole moment of a water monomer is
experimentally 1.85 D and using the TIP3P model it's supposed to be 2.35D.
I am using the TIP3P model for a water-based simulation in Gromacs 5.1.5.
After applying sinusoidal electric fields in the Y axis, the norm of the
dipole vector per water molecule using *gmx dipoles* is closer to 1.85 D
and nowhere near 2.35D. My simulations are for 300K and 1 atm.
Can anyone guess why the discrepancy? Is it because 2.35D is for a water
monomer and my system has quite a large number of them(in the order of ten
thousands)? But literature suggests that presence of water molecules should
enhance the dipole moment. Or is 2.35D calculated under a different
temperature/pressure conditions?


I don't know what your command was or how gmx dipoles might be 
calculating this quantity, but it is simply a fact that the dipole 
moment of rigid TIP3P is 2.35 D. It can't vary, by definition. You will 
not see any difference based on system size because the model is 
nonpolarizable - every TIP3P is identical, whether you have one or a 
million, so there is no dipole cooperativity.


-Justin

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[gmx-users] dipole moment of water using TIP3P model

2019-05-09 Thread Sabreen Farnaz
Dear Users,
It is known that electric dipole moment of a water monomer is
experimentally 1.85 D and using the TIP3P model it's supposed to be 2.35D.
I am using the TIP3P model for a water-based simulation in Gromacs 5.1.5.
After applying sinusoidal electric fields in the Y axis, the norm of the
dipole vector per water molecule using *gmx dipoles* is closer to 1.85 D
and nowhere near 2.35D. My simulations are for 300K and 1 atm.
Can anyone guess why the discrepancy? Is it because 2.35D is for a water
monomer and my system has quite a large number of them(in the order of ten
thousands)? But literature suggests that presence of water molecules should
enhance the dipole moment. Or is 2.35D calculated under a different
temperature/pressure conditions?

If you could suggest me suitable references that might clarify this issue,
please let me know.

Thanks.
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