Re: [gmx-users] hints for core/shell optimization? (Tamas Karpati)

2014-08-03 Thread Mikhail Stukan
Dear Tamas, Just a small note on the subject. Keep in mind that particular choice of atom and shell values (while q_A+q_D remains constant) may influence some properties of the system. More details can be found in Asmadi at al. (Journal of Molecular Liquids 188 (2013) 245-251). Although, for

Re: [gmx-users] hints for core/shell optimization?

2014-08-01 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 8/1/14, 6:13 AM, Tamas Karpati wrote: Dear Justin, If I have a Mg++ ion with q_D=+3.2 then for the shell particle I'd set +3.2 and for the Mg atom I should stay with +2? So far -in order to maintain charge neutrality of the system- I've been using -1.2 for Mg to have the correct +2e for

Re: [gmx-users] hints for core/shell optimization?

2014-07-31 Thread Tamas Karpati
Dear Justin, I'm in the experimenting with [exclusions] for [thole_polarization]. Still not there but approaching... I'd like to ask more help as the Manual is not detailed enough for me to comprehend the whole. When using the core/shell model I expect the following extra effects and functions

Re: [gmx-users] hints for core/shell optimization?

2014-07-31 Thread Tamas Karpati
Dear Justin, 1. With a q_D charge on D, the normal q_A becomes q_C=q_A-q_D to preserve the q_A=q_C+q_D atomic charge in a c/s simulation (since D is attached to A). I assume that GROMPP expects q_C for atoms, q_D for shell particles in the GRO files. Is this correct? No. Every atom in

Re: [gmx-users] hints for core/shell optimization?

2014-07-31 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 7/31/14, 2:17 PM, Tamas Karpati wrote: Dear Justin, 1. With a q_D charge on D, the normal q_A becomes q_C=q_A-q_D to preserve the q_A=q_C+q_D atomic charge in a c/s simulation (since D is attached to A). I assume that GROMPP expects q_C for atoms, q_D for shell particles in the GRO

Re: [gmx-users] hints for core/shell optimization?

2014-07-30 Thread Tamas Karpati
Dear Justin, No, they're not mutually exclusive. The Thole function screens nearby dipoles so they don't experience artificial forces. The thole_polarization name is a bit unfortunate; it should really be thole_screening instead. I was probably confused by the two contribs in the MDRUN log

Re: [gmx-users] hints for core/shell optimization?

2014-07-30 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 7/30/14, 5:14 AM, Tamas Karpati wrote: Dear Justin, No, they're not mutually exclusive. The Thole function screens nearby dipoles so they don't experience artificial forces. The thole_polarization name is a bit unfortunate; it should really be thole_screening instead. I was probably

Re: [gmx-users] hints for core/shell optimization?

2014-07-30 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 7/30/14, 9:37 AM, Tamas Karpati wrote: But in short, no, bonds are not compulsory for using Thole, but exclusions definitely are. I would exclude at least the nearest-neighbor interactions. Does this mean that by [thole_polarization] I define bonded interactions which can be dropped by

Re: [gmx-users] hints for core/shell optimization?

2014-07-29 Thread Tamas Karpati
Dear Justin, I've tried applying the [thole_polarization] section in the format you've suggested. I've noticed the followings. 1. First I made a mistake and forgot to remove the [polarization] section from the TOP file. Even this way MDRUN worked and indicated the usual ca. 10 kJ/mol

Re: [gmx-users] hints for core/shell optimization?

2014-07-29 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 7/29/14, 9:33 AM, Tamas Karpati wrote: Dear Justin, I've tried applying the [thole_polarization] section in the format you've suggested. I've noticed the followings. 1. First I made a mistake and forgot to remove the [polarization] section from the TOP file. Even this way MDRUN worked

[gmx-users] hints for core/shell optimization?

2014-07-25 Thread Tamas Karpati
Dear all, I have two questions about geometry optimization of a crystal with polarization via the core/shell model. I'm creating *.gro and *.top files by hand and compile them with *.mdp to *.tpr via GROMPP. My FF is also made by hand (simply because i need to learn GROMACS). I have learnt on

Re: [gmx-users] hints for core/shell optimization?

2014-07-25 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 7/25/14, 7:43 AM, Tamas Karpati wrote: Dear all, I have two questions about geometry optimization of a crystal with polarization via the core/shell model. I'm creating *.gro and *.top files by hand and compile them with *.mdp to *.tpr via GROMPP. My FF is also made by hand (simply because

Re: [gmx-users] hints for core/shell optimization?

2014-07-25 Thread Tamas Karpati
Dear Justin, Thank you for your quick answer. Same with GROMACS-4.6.6: core-to-shell distance must be 0 to not crash. My crystal is expected to be polarized (metallic and oxygen sites are the victims of this model). The *.mpd file being used is: # nstcalcenergy = 1 ; 4.6.6 claims this

Re: [gmx-users] hints for core/shell optimization?

2014-07-25 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 7/25/14, 8:10 AM, Tamas Karpati wrote: Dear Justin, Thank you for your quick answer. Same with GROMACS-4.6.6: core-to-shell distance must be 0 to not crash. My crystal is expected to be polarized Does your topology specify the proper intramolecular exclusions? What is(are) the

Re: [gmx-users] hints for core/shell optimization?

2014-07-25 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 7/25/14, 11:22 AM, Tamas Karpati wrote: Dear Justin, Does your topology specify the proper intramolecular exclusions? What is(are) the molecule(s)? No bonds, no exclusions. The whole crystal is modelled by ions interacting via forces of the Coulomb and Buckingham types. In fact, there

Re: [gmx-users] hints for core/shell optimization?

2014-07-25 Thread Tamas Karpati
Dear Justin, Does your topology specify the proper intramolecular exclusions? What is(are) the molecule(s)? No bonds, no exclusions. The whole crystal is modelled by ions interacting via forces of the Coulomb and Buckingham types. In fact, there is an X-Y-X angle force type which does have an

Re: [gmx-users] hints for core/shell optimization?

2014-07-25 Thread Tamas Karpati
Dear Justin, Thanks for your educational answers. Coulombic interactions fail at short distances; you probably need to apply I was afraid of that... somehow removing shells from the cores in the initial structure have let it functionally work (with not yet reasonable results). Thole

Re: [gmx-users] hints for core/shell optimization?

2014-07-25 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 7/25/14, 12:40 PM, Tamas Karpati wrote: Dear Justin, Thanks for your educational answers. Coulombic interactions fail at short distances; you probably need to apply I was afraid of that... somehow removing shells from the cores in the initial structure have let it functionally work