Re: [GROW] [Sidrops] IXP Route Server question

2022-03-13 Thread Nick Hilliard
Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed) wrote on 13/03/2022 16:20: Not sure why Ben even raised that question. To me, it doesn't seem relevant. In the route leak detection procedures, the receiving/validating AS does not require information about the nature of ASes (RS or not RS) in the AS Path except for

Re: [GROW] [Sidrops] IXP Route Server question

2022-03-09 Thread Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
Ben, >I know of several transit providers that will allow customers to use an IXP as >a kind of virtual access circuit (which itself is a poor idea), but I would be >*very* surprised if any of them allow RS peerings to be the control plane >interconnection (intentionally, at least). Good.

Re: [GROW] [Sidrops] IXP Route Server question

2022-03-09 Thread Randy Bush
>> If the underlying question is "should the ASPA path validation >> algorithm have a corner case that accommodates this?", that is a >> very, very firm "no" from me! > > aol opologies, it seems i used an american idiom, and an antique one at that. a few folk were brave enough to ask, so ...

Re: [GROW] [Sidrops] IXP Route Server question

2022-03-08 Thread Randy Bush
> If the underlying question is "should the ASPA path validation > algorithm have a corner case that accommodates this?", that is a > very, very firm "no" from me! aol ___ GROW mailing list GROW@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/grow

Re: [GROW] [Sidrops] IXP Route Server question

2022-03-08 Thread Ben Maddison
On 03/08, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 2:36 PM Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed) > wrote: > > > This question has relevance to the ASPA method for route leak detection. > > > > Is it possible that an ISP AS A peers with a customer AS C via a > > non-transparent IXP AS B? > > IOW,

Re: [GROW] [Sidrops] IXP Route Server question

2022-03-08 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 3:33 PM Robert Raszuk wrote: > > Right - but IMO route leaking can happen both in the Internet or in > customer <- via IXP -> content provider interconnects. > > And in the latter case - especially for those with open peering policy - > often going via RS. After all this

Re: [GROW] [Sidrops] IXP Route Server question

2022-03-08 Thread Robert Raszuk
Right - but IMO route leaking can happen both in the Internet or in customer <- via IXP -> content provider interconnects. And in the latter case - especially for those with open peering policy - often going via RS. After all this is how route servers are mainly used today :) So both sides will

Re: [GROW] [Sidrops] IXP Route Server question

2022-03-08 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 3:15 PM Robert Raszuk wrote: > Well I think the answer is - it depends. > > First IXP fabric can be used as pure L3 share LAN or can be used (and it > is often the case) as a p2p emulated VLAN over such L3 shared LAN. > > Now if this is L3 shared LAN still customer and ISP

Re: [GROW] [Sidrops] IXP Route Server question

2022-03-08 Thread Robert Raszuk
Well I think the answer is - it depends. First IXP fabric can be used as pure L3 share LAN or can be used (and it is often the case) as a p2p emulated VLAN over such L3 shared LAN. Now if this is L3 shared LAN still customer and ISP may peer directly and no third party traffic would be accepted

Re: [GROW] [Sidrops] IXP Route Server question

2022-03-08 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 2:36 PM Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed) wrote: > This question has relevance to the ASPA method for route leak detection. > > Is it possible that an ISP AS A peers with a customer AS C via a > non-transparent IXP AS B? > IOW, the AS path in routes propagated by the ISP A for