Re: [GROW] WG Adoption Call: draft-ymbk-grow-wkc-behavior-01 2018.06.11-2018.06.26

2018-07-18 Thread Job Snijders
Dear Working Group, Authors, draft-ymbk-grow-wkc-behavior was accepted as working group document. Please resubmit to the datatracker as draft-ietf-grow-wkc-behavior-00 Kind regards, Job On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 08:59:39PM +, Job Snijders wrote: > Dear working group, > > The authors of

Re: [GROW] WG Adoption Call: draft-ymbk-grow-wkc-behavior-01 2018.06.11-2018.06.26

2018-06-13 Thread Serpil Bayraktar (serpil)
I support adoption (as author) and I like the idea of adding an “Action Items” section perhaps with some of the examples discussed. Serpil From: GROW on behalf of Job Snijders Date: Monday, June 11, 2018 at 2:13 PM To: Grow Mailing List Subject: Re: [GROW] WG Adoption Call: draft-ymbk-grow

Re: [GROW] WG Adoption Call: draft-ymbk-grow-wkc-behavior-01 2018.06.11-2018.06.26

2018-06-13 Thread brad dreisbach
On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 08:18:00AM -0700, Randy Bush wrote: it strikes me as being a latter day "Go To Statement Considered Harmful" sort of thing. goto is harmful! I don't disagree as a general principal, but also admit to secretly using "set" to remove pre-existing communities from time to

Re: [GROW] WG Adoption Call: draft-ymbk-grow-wkc-behavior-01 2018.06.11-2018.06.26

2018-06-13 Thread Nick Hilliard
Randy Bush wrote on 13/06/2018 16:18: it strikes me as being a latter day "Go To Statement Considered Harmful" sort of thing. goto is harmful! just like many of the best things in life. am i supposed to replace set 666:42 with remove *:* add 666:42 like that's not gonna be

Re: [GROW] WG Adoption Call: draft-ymbk-grow-wkc-behavior-01 2018.06.11-2018.06.26

2018-06-13 Thread Randy Bush
> it strikes me as being a latter day "Go To Statement Considered > Harmful" sort of thing. goto is harmful! > I don't disagree as a general principal, but also admit to secretly > using "set" to remove pre-existing communities from time to time, as > we all probably do, even if we don't like to

Re: [GROW] WG Adoption Call: draft-ymbk-grow-wkc-behavior-01 2018.06.11-2018.06.26

2018-06-13 Thread Nick Hilliard
Randy Bush wrote on 12/06/2018 19:12: job sugggested to add a clause recommending that operators not use 'set' at all to remove communities, but do it explicitly. the authors would appreciate comments on that. it strikes me as being a latter day "Go To Statement Considered Harmful" sort of

Re: [GROW] WG Adoption Call: draft-ymbk-grow-wkc-behavior-01 2018.06.11-2018.06.26

2018-06-12 Thread Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
I support. Thanks, Jakob -Original Message- From: GROW On Behalf Of Job Snijders Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 2:00 PM To: grow@ietf.org Subject: [GROW] WG Adoption Call: draft-ymbk-grow-wkc-behavior-01 2018.06.11-2018.06.26 Dear working group, The authors of draft-ymbk-grow-wkc

Re: [GROW] WG Adoption Call: draft-ymbk-grow-wkc-behavior-01 2018.06.11-2018.06.26

2018-06-12 Thread heasley
Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 08:59:39PM +, Job Snijders: > Dear working group, > > The authors of draft-ymbk-grow-wkc-behavior [1] requested the chairs to > consider issuing a call for working group adoption. Here is the > abstract: > > "Well-Known BGP Communities are manipulated inconsistently

Re: [GROW] WG Adoption Call: draft-ymbk-grow-wkc-behavior-01 2018.06.11-2018.06.26

2018-06-12 Thread Randy Bush
>> Please take a moment to read and evaluate the document and let the >> working group know whether you'd like to continue work on this >> document as working group or not. > yep, sounds good, but what will this do to the vendors' two main > weapons, fear and surprise? there are so many

Re: [GROW] WG Adoption Call: draft-ymbk-grow-wkc-behavior-01 2018.06.11-2018.06.26

2018-06-12 Thread Nick Hilliard
Job Snijders wrote on 11/06/2018 21:59: Please take a moment to read and evaluate the document and let the working group know whether you'd like to continue work on this document as working group or not. yep, sounds good, but what will this do to the vendors' two main weapons, fear and

Re: [GROW] WG Adoption Call: draft-ymbk-grow-wkc-behavior-01 2018.06.11-2018.06.26

2018-06-11 Thread Randy Bush
>>> "Operators are recommened not to use "set community" or "community >>> set" and just explicitly remove/add what needs to be done. >> >> do all vendors support wildcards? > > Yes, I think so. Of the top of my head you can wilcard on Junos, Cisco > Classic/XE/XR, OpenBGPD, BIRD, Brocade

Re: [GROW] WG Adoption Call: draft-ymbk-grow-wkc-behavior-01 2018.06.11-2018.06.26

2018-06-11 Thread Job Snijders
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 04:59:49PM -0700, Randy Bush wrote: > > "Operators are recommened not to use "set community" or "community > > set" and just explicitly remove/add what needs to be done. > > do all vendors support wildcards? Yes, I think so. Of the top of my head you can wilcard on Junos,

Re: [GROW] WG Adoption Call: draft-ymbk-grow-wkc-behavior-01 2018.06.11-2018.06.26

2018-06-11 Thread Randy Bush
> "Operators are recommened not to use "set community" or "community > set" and just explicitly remove/add what needs to be done. do all vendors support wildcards? randy ___ GROW mailing list GROW@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/grow

Re: [GROW] WG Adoption Call: draft-ymbk-grow-wkc-behavior-01 2018.06.11-2018.06.26

2018-06-11 Thread Job Snijders
Hi all, On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 08:59:39PM +, Job Snijders wrote: > The authors of draft-ymbk-grow-wkc-behavior [1] requested the chairs to > consider issuing a call for working group adoption. Here is the > abstract: > > "Well-Known BGP Communities are manipulated inconsistently by >

[GROW] WG Adoption Call: draft-ymbk-grow-wkc-behavior-01 2018.06.11-2018.06.26

2018-06-11 Thread Job Snijders
Dear working group, The authors of draft-ymbk-grow-wkc-behavior [1] requested the chairs to consider issuing a call for working group adoption. Here is the abstract: "Well-Known BGP Communities are manipulated inconsistently by current implementations. This results in difficulties for