Re: gtkspell (was Re: Announcing: Project Ridley)

2006-01-19 Thread Chipzz
I'm not a Gtk+ developer, but I think one of the criteria for being considered is: doesn't introduce a new library dependency, or maybe it can, if it really makes sense. Gtk+ depending on a spell checking library hardly makes sense, however. On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Mike Hearn wrote: Yes, it's yet

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2006-01-19 Thread Luca Ferretti
Il giorno dom, 21/08/2005 alle 00.50 -0400, Jonathan Blandford ha scritto: Now that GTK+-2.8.0 is out, the GTK+ team would like to announce Project Ridley. GOALS: The primary goal of Project Ridley is to cut down on the number of problem libraries that are part of the GNOME platform. We

Re: gtkspell (was Re: Announcing: Project Ridley)

2006-01-19 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 8/27/05, Chipzz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not a Gtk+ developer, but I think one of the criteria for being considered is: doesn't introduce a new library dependency, or maybe it can, if it really makes sense. Gtk+ depending on a spell checking library hardly makes sense, however. I would

Re: gtkspell (was Re: Announcing: Project Ridley)

2006-01-19 Thread Dominic Lachowicz
On 1/19/06, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/27/05, Chipzz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not a Gtk+ developer, but I think one of the criteria for being considered is: doesn't introduce a new library dependency, or maybe it can, if it really makes sense. Gtk+ depending on a

Re: gtkspell (was Re: Announcing: Project Ridley)

2005-09-23 Thread Evan Martin
Hi folks, GtkSpell lacks some features and I've been aware of the lack for years -- even since the GTK 2 days. I haven't had the time to work on GtkSpell and so finally, rather than stifling it by hanging on too tightly, I found a new maintainer, who has done a great job of making incremental

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-09-21 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: snip Maybe just moving deprecated widgets to a separate library, like libgtk2.0-compat.la, would be a better solution? We'd get well maintained applications to avoid linking to this library, while at the same time keeping it around for

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-09-21 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Banginwar, Rajesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: I am really glad to see the intention of keeping the ABI same even with 3.0 release. I'm not. Binary compatibiliy prevents us from changes in the library structures, ie. which widgets belong into which lib. Normally a new major release

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-09-21 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Rob Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: snip I don't really see much reason ever to break ABI for the forseeable future. There's essentially nothing stopping us from simply leaving deprecated functions in there indefinitely, other than a fairly minor Very *bad* idea. This breaks many

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-09-21 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Philippe De Swert [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: snip This is an issue for embedded systems using gtk (like for example GPE). Maybe a --disable-deprecated flag could do the trick? Nice idea. BUT: it as to be absolutely clear what exactly this means. Just calling it obsolete is not enough. So

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-09-21 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Florian Boor [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: snip I'm working on the GPE project (http://gpe.handhelds.org, a software framework for mobile devices like PDAs) which is using GTK. Moving more features into GTK will make application development easier for us in a software environment of limited

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-09-14 Thread JP Rosevear
On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 07:53 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: But being as part of the official library pack makes them be official, and avoid people using different solutions for the same problem. That's the idea of being in the GNOME Development Platform. I don't see how putting the whole

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-09-14 Thread Davyd Madeley
On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 12:02:46PM -0400, JP Rosevear wrote: Its a fine line, but I can't see how network connections don't fit in as an acceptable low level operation when we have the following in glib: 1) lexical scanner 2) xml subset parser 3) IO Channels Even if not in glib we

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-09-14 Thread Tor Lillqvist
JP Rosevear writes: Even if not in glib we should be creating an official solution that hooks nicely in to the mainloop rather than neon/curl/soup. There is also linc2 (in ORBit2) and gnet. --tml ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-25 Thread Christopher James Lahey
On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 12:23 -0400, Jonathan Blandford wrote: Rodrigo Moya [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: what about libsoup/network library? Wouldn't it also make sense to move it to a libgnet in glib? I don't know of any plans for this. I don't think networking makes a whole lot of sense

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-25 Thread Alberto Manuel Brandão Simões
I am entering into the discussion thread without reading any other email than this one, but... as for XML we should not create the wheel again. That leads to libxml2 or expat. In my case, I prefer libxml2. Being part of w3c development maybe helps me choosing it. Well, having work with expat

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-25 Thread Philippe De Swert
Hello all, I don't really see much reason ever to break ABI for the forseeable future. There's essentially nothing stopping us from simply leaving deprecated functions in there indefinitely, other than a fairly minor memory footprint increase which will never be paged in anyway. This is an

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-25 Thread Marco Barisione
Jonathan Blandford wrote: The primary goal of Project Ridley is to cut down on the number of problem libraries that are part of the GNOME platform. We propose to do this by moving functionality into GTK+, wherever it makes sense. What about EggRegex? -- Marco Barisione

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-24 Thread JP Rosevear
On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 13:37 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: what about libsoup/network library? Wouldn't it also make sense to move it to a libgnet in glib? I'm also for this, right now we are using multiple networking libraries and we fix the same bugs in multiple places. I think its odd as a

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-24 Thread Jonathan Blandford
JP Rosevear [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm also for this, right now we are using multiple networking libraries and we fix the same bugs in multiple places. I think its odd as a platform we have no official way to great an http/network connection (yes libsoup is in the platform for evolution,

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-24 Thread Havoc Pennington
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 07:44 -0400, JP Rosevear wrote: On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 13:37 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: what about libsoup/network library? Wouldn't it also make sense to move it to a libgnet in glib? I'm also for this, right now we are using multiple networking libraries and we fix

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-23 Thread Olexiy Avramchenko
What about XML support ? Now we have: - basic XML subset in GLib - libxml2 - expat Moving all XML features to GLib doesn't look good, neither looks good having three separate libraries with the same functionality. Olexiy ___ gtk-devel-list

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-23 Thread Florian Boor
Hello all, Jonathan Blandford wrote: The primary goal of Project Ridley is to cut down on the number of problem libraries that are part of the GNOME platform. We propose to do this by moving functionality into GTK+, wherever it makes sense. These libraries are generally small,

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-22 Thread Christian Neumair
Am Montag, den 22.08.2005, 13:37 +0200 schrieb Rodrigo Moya: there is no reason to force us to do GNOME 3.0, but since many GNOME libraries will be disappearing with Ridley, we might want to call it 3.0, so that we don't have to maintain the old libraries around. Also, as we deprecate most

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-22 Thread Olexiy Avramchenko
Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 16:10 +0200, Christian Neumair wrote: Am Montag, den 22.08.2005, 13:37 +0200 schrieb Rodrigo Moya: there is no reason to force us to do GNOME 3.0, but since many GNOME libraries will be disappearing with Ridley, we might want to call it

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-22 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 17:43 +0300, Olexiy Avramchenko wrote: Maybe just moving deprecated widgets to a separate library, like libgtk2.0-compat.la, would be a better solution? We'd get well maintained applications to avoid linking to this library, while at the same time keeping it

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-22 Thread Colin Walters
On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 12:31 -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote: Another thing I would be interested as an extension to the above is specialisation (or rather, restriction) of containers to particular GTypes. If for example, we had a call such as GType g_type_specialise(GType type, ...)

Re[2]: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-22 Thread andrey
Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 16:10 +0200, Christian Neumair wrote: Am Montag, den 22.08.2005, 13:37 +0200 schrieb Rodrigo Moya: there is no reason to force us to do GNOME 3.0, but since many GNOME libraries will be disappearing with Ridley, we might want to

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-22 Thread Jonathan Blandford
Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Probably worth putting some of the ABI/API answers on the ProjectRidley page, just so it's absolutely clear. I would do it, but I don't really want to miscommunicate the goals. :-) Good point. Done. Thanks, -Jonathan

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-21 Thread Claessens Xavier
Seems great goals ! Have some questions: 1) Is GTK+-3.0 scheduled ? Or is it a long long time work which will be released when it's ready. Will be a GTK+-2.10 version ? Or 3.0 is the next version ? 2) If GTK+-3.0 is released, will it lead automatically to gnome-3.0 ? So is it the right moment

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-21 Thread Vincent Untz
Hi Xavier, I can't answer all the questions. Just one, in fact :-) Le dimanche 21 août 2005 à 14:00 +0200, Claessens Xavier a écrit : 2) If GTK+-3.0 is released, will it lead automatically to gnome-3.0 ? So is it the right moment (not now, but when GTK3 will be released) to do API/ABI

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-21 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 14:00 +0200, Claessens Xavier wrote: Seems great goals ! Have some questions: 1) Is GTK+-3.0 scheduled ? Or is it a long long time work which will be released when it's ready. Will be a GTK+-2.10 version ? Or 3.0 is the next version ? 2) If GTK+-3.0 is released, will

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-21 Thread Claessens Xavier
Oki thanks, its more clear for me now :-) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list

Re: Announcing: Project Ridley

2005-08-21 Thread Havoc Pennington
On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 14:05 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: One thing I (as an end developer) would like is for libgobject to be merged with libglib That's off the table since it would break ABI ... I currently find the split to make some tasks impossible (for example, I recently wrote a