On Fri, 2011-03-25 at 11:48 -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com wrote:
I very much like the re-show-instead-of-reopening idea, and miss it
since I stopped using MacOS 7.3. However, I don't understand why this
should require a
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com wrote:
I very much like the re-show-instead-of-reopening idea, and miss it
since I stopped using MacOS 7.3. However, I don't understand why this
should require a single process.
How do you recommend apps implement this then?
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 09:01:51AM -0500, Morten Welinder wrote:
What global state, for instance?
locale?
As a reminder, setlocale is not thread-safe.
M.
Wait... So it won't be possible with gnome-shell/gtk3 applications
to have two instances of the same program started with two
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Petr Tomasek toma...@etf.cuni.cz wrote:
Wait... So it won't be possible with gnome-shell/gtk3 applications
to have two instances of the same program started with two different
locales?
By default, yes, that is correct. Application authors can do whatever
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Colin Walters walt...@verbum.org wrote:
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Petr Tomasek toma...@etf.cuni.cz wrote:
Wait... So it won't be possible with gnome-shell/gtk3 applications
to have two instances of the same program started with two different
locales?
On Sat, 2011-03-19 at 09:44 -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
Hi Murray,
On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com wrote:
For this and other unrelated reasons, I will remove Gtk::Application
from gtkmm 3.0.0. I can't wrap an API that I don't understand
It's not
On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 20:04 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote:
But for applications that actually have some reason to have multiple
windows (typically document-based applications) I still know of no
reason why we would want to suggest that they should have all windows
in
one process.
For this and
Hi Murray,
On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com wrote:
For this and other unrelated reasons, I will remove Gtk::Application
from gtkmm 3.0.0. I can't wrap an API that I don't understand
It's not that you don't understand it exactly, it's that you don't
agree,
Hi
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com wrote:
On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 18:41 +, Chris Vine wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:47:59 +0100
Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com wrote:
If it's most programs then surely you can give some example. I don't
think that
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:16:44 +
Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2011-03-08 at 22:16, Paul Davis wrote:
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Andrew Cowie
and...@operationaldynamics.com wrote:
On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 12:06 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote:
I would very much like some
However, the deficiency I have found in the past with respect to
implementing single instance programs using gtk+/gnome is the window
manager. Usually in the circumstances I have described you want
gtk_window_present() to do what it says it does (for the remote dbus
callback to bring up the
On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:59 +, Chris Vine wrote:
[snip]
The case for having single-instance programs in most cases for
programs with a GUI interface seems self-evident to me, since most
GUI programs keep some running global state which would be extremely
tedious to synchronise between
What global state, for instance?
locale?
As a reminder, setlocale is not thread-safe.
M.
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On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:01 -0500, Morten Welinder wrote:
What global state, for instance?
locale?
As a reminder, setlocale is not thread-safe.
Sorry, I don't understand. Could you explain in more detail? Why would
two separate instances (separate processes) of the same app care if
Sorry, I don't understand. Could you explain in more detail?
If you need to run two different windows in two different locales, then
single-instance is not possible. For Gnumeric this happens regularly
due to the world's decimal separator mess.
The reason you cannot do this in a single
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 14:48:12 +0100
Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com wrote:
On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:59 +, Chris Vine wrote:
[snip]
The case for having single-instance programs in most cases for
programs with a GUI interface seems self-evident to me, since most
GUI programs keep some
On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 14:54 +, Chris Vine wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 14:48:12 +0100
Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com wrote:
On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:59 +, Chris Vine wrote:
[snip]
The case for having single-instance programs in most cases for
programs with a GUI interface
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com wrote:
If it's most programs then surely you can give some example. I don't
think that most applications have to deal with caching, bookmarks, and
history like Firefox.
i think that the kind of thing chris is referring to is
On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 10:54 -0500, Paul Davis wrote:
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com wrote:
If it's most programs then surely you can give some example. I don't
think that most applications have to deal with caching, bookmarks, and
history like
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:47:59 +0100
Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com wrote:
If it's most programs then surely you can give some example. I don't
think that most applications have to deal with caching, bookmarks, and
history like Firefox.
I didn't realise you wanted examples, but most programs
On 2011-03-08 at 22:16, Paul Davis wrote:
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Andrew Cowie
and...@operationaldynamics.com wrote:
On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 12:06 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote:
I would very much like some reasoning to point people at when I tell
them to use GtkApplication. I will not
On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 17:55 -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Morten Welinder mort...@gnome.org wrote:
What actual problem was solved by all this infrastructure to keep just
one instance?
Basically for any application which manipulates private files in any
On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 12:06 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote:
I would very much like some reasoning to point people at when I tell
them to use GtkApplication. I will not just hand-wave and say that
people say it's good.
GtkApplication is the GNOME 3.0 replacement for LibUnique, right? If so,
then
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Andrew Cowie
and...@operationaldynamics.com wrote:
On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 12:06 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote:
I would very much like some reasoning to point people at when I tell
them to use GtkApplication. I will not just hand-wave and say that
people say it's
On Fri, 2011-02-25 at 12:53 +0200, Claudio Saavedra wrote:
On Fri, 2011-02-25 at 08:58 +0100, Carlos Garcia Campos wrote:
Note that we moved from single process model to multiple process
without changing the evince behaviour, it still behaves like a single
instance app, opening an already
On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 10:37 -0500, David Zeuthen wrote:
Hey,
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com
wrote:
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 10:00 AM, David Zeuthen zeut...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Just for the record, there's no reason that GDBus cannot be made to
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Tristan Van Berkom
trista...@openismus.com wrote:
On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 10:37 -0500, David Zeuthen wrote:
... do I have to pull out that change while
GApplication is still unstable ?
GApplication is not unstable.
It is true that after all the back-and-forth,
On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 16:08 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Tristan Van Berkom
trista...@openismus.com wrote:
On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 10:37 -0500, David Zeuthen wrote:
... do I have to pull out that change while
GApplication is still unstable ?
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:40 AM, Tristan Van Berkom
trista...@openismus.com wrote:
As I mentioned before, I'm not asking for an implementation on win32
of GtkApplication, I'm just asking for it to succeed, run a mainloop
and do something as a fallback for a missing implementation.
So, you are
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:40 AM, Tristan Van Berkom
trista...@openismus.com wrote:
a.) GtkApplication only available as GtkX11Application is acceptable,
because people only expect it to work on x11 (the actual stubs
should in this case only be created on x11 and the docs should
On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 16:48 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:40 AM, Tristan Van Berkom
trista...@openismus.com wrote:
As I mentioned before, I'm not asking for an implementation on win32
of GtkApplication, I'm just asking for it to succeed, run a mainloop
and do
On 2011-03-07 at 18:40, Tristan Van Berkom wrote:
Will use of GtkApplication cause my app to simply fail just because
a win32/osx implementation is missing ? or will it silently succeed ?
there is nothing X11-specific in GApplication or GtkApplication.
in fact, if you install D-Bus on OSX or
On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 22:52 +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
On 2011-03-07 at 18:40, Tristan Van Berkom wrote:
Will use of GtkApplication cause my app to simply fail just because
a win32/osx implementation is missing ? or will it silently succeed ?
there is nothing X11-specific in
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:17 AM, Tristan Van Berkom
trista...@openismus.com wrote:
b.) It's damn easy to make GApplication at least startup
correctly, run the main loop and just not use any IPC,
it's the least I think that one can expect.
Then lets the patch already, instead of
2011/3/7 Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:17 AM, Tristan Van Berkom
trista...@openismus.com wrote:
b.) It's damn easy to make GApplication at least startup
correctly, run the main loop and just not use any IPC,
it's the least I think that one can
On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 23:41 +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
On 2011-02-21 at 21:57, Murray Cumming wrote:
I'll leave the other points, as they've received a reply already.
2.
How should we use GOptionContext to parse command line arguments from
argc/argv when using GtkApplication. Is
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com wrote:
On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 23:41 +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
On 2011-02-21 at 21:57, Murray Cumming wrote:
I'll leave the other points, as they've received a reply already.
2.
How should we use GOptionContext to parse
On 2011-03-02 at 09:30, Murray Cumming wrote:
• you can defer all command line parsing to the remote instance, by
passing the G_APPLICATION_HANDLES_COMMAND_LINE flag to the
constructor and by connecting to the ::command-line signal; and
example is in the Dictionary:
On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 10:07 +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
[snip]
Thanks for the suggestion, but why wouldn't you use the
GApplication::local_command_line vfunc for local command-line parsing?
http://library.gnome.org/devel/gio/unstable/GApplication.html#GApplicationClass.local-command-line
On 2011-03-03 at 07:18, Murray Cumming wrote:
On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 10:07 +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
[snip]
Thanks for the suggestion, but why wouldn't you use the
GApplication::local_command_line vfunc for local command-line parsing?
Hey,
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Havoc Pennington h...@pobox.com wrote:
So upstream's advice is, don't restart, because apps won't handle it.
If you want to fix all the apps, you can do so. There are no
dbus-daemon changes required.
If you really wanted to handle the dbus package got
Hi,
Just for the record, there's no reason that GDBus cannot be made to
work very nicely on Win32 or any other platform we care about. GDBus
(and D-Bus itself) was designed with this goal in mind.
That is to say, it is possible to make a Win32 build of GLib where
GDBus works as expect in both
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 10:00 AM, David Zeuthen zeut...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Just for the record, there's no reason that GDBus cannot be made to
work very nicely on Win32 or any other platform we care about. GDBus
(and D-Bus itself) was designed with this goal in mind.
what functionality is
Hey,
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com wrote:
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 10:00 AM, David Zeuthen zeut...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Just for the record, there's no reason that GDBus cannot be made to
work very nicely on Win32 or any other platform we care about.
Excerpts from Tristan Van Berkom's message of vie feb 25 00:52:21 +0100 2011:
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 8:25 AM, jose.ali...@gmail.com
jose.ali...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:45 AM, Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com wrote:
On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 21:57 +0100, Murray
On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 17:51 -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
1.
Are we still meant to call gtk_init(argc, argv) when using
GtkApplication, which takes argc/argv again via g_application_run(). Or
is gtk_init() then superfluous?
gtk_init is superfluous, yes;
I guess we should mention
On Fri, 2011-02-25 at 08:58 +0100, Carlos Garcia Campos wrote:
Just to point out an example, Evince does not use GtkApplication
and it's not single instanced (there is one process per each
document you see) and I don't think there are plans to make it
single instanced.
Note that
On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 17:51 -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com wrote:
snip
2.
How should we use GOptionContext to parse command line arguments from
argc/argv when using GtkApplication. Is this the ideal way, using the
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Colin Walters walt...@verbum.org wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Morten Welinder mort...@gnome.org wrote:
What actual problem was solved by all this infrastructure to keep just
one instance?
Basically for any application which manipulates private
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Wen-Yen Chuang ca...@calno.com wrote:
Because dbus is slow and unreliable.
Starting with this premise is not going to be very useful... D-Bus is
generally considered a good thing here.
We have other speedy and reliable IPC to be used for single instance
apps.
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Wen-Yen Chuang ca...@calno.com wrote:
a.) restart dbus daemon (and keep everything communicating to dbus
still working) is not supported by upstream in a sensible way.
[1][2][3][4]
upstream doesn't support this because it isn't a dbus issue. The
Hi,
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Wen-Yen Chuang ca...@calno.com wrote:
I suppose GtkApplication users do not need to handle dbus directly.
So if GtkApplication can handle dbus restart / dbus crash, I may also
consider using GtkApplication for single instance app.
However, the whole
On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 13:11 +0800, Wen-Yen Chuang wrote:
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As far as I know, GtkApplication depends on GIO, which
should have some extension points for services on different
operating systems...
On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 13:11 +0800, Wen-Yen Chuang wrote:
b.) Running multiple versions of the same application
For example, running firefox 3.5, 3.6, and 4.0 at the same
time.
I don't think your example actually works without running each instance
using a different firefox user
There are many other reasons to not use single instance.
I agree.
d. Running on a different $DISPLAY. Look and you'll find no end of
complaints over firefox' inability to do this sanely.
e. Running with different locale settings. This happens for Gnumeric
when people want different decimal
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com wrote:
I'm trying to wrap GtkApplication for gtkmm but I can't really do that
until I understand how it's meant to be used.
In general, I find the documentation lacks overview and advice, partly
because it's spread between
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Morten Welinder mort...@gnome.org wrote:
What actual problem was solved by all this infrastructure to keep just
one instance?
Basically for any application which manipulates private files in any
form (in Firefox' case, this is the history database), it avoids
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 8:25 AM, jose.ali...@gmail.com
jose.ali...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:45 AM, Murray Cumming murr...@murrayc.com wrote:
On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 21:57 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote:
I'm trying to wrap GtkApplication for gtkmm but I can't really do that
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On 02/24/11 10:58, Tristan Van Berkom wrote:
Why do you care what GTK+ uses if you dont have to deal with the
dbus apis yourself anyway ?
Because dbus is slow and unreliable.
a.) restart dbus daemon (and keep everything communicating to dbus
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Murray Cumming wrote:
3. Will we recommend that all GTK+ applications generally use
GtkApplication?
As far as I know, GtkApplication depends on dbus.
You can not use GtkApplication without dbus.
(Please correct me if I am wrong.)
So, I think the
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Wen-Yen Chuang ca...@calno.com wrote:
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3. Will we recommend that all GTK+ applications generally use
GtkApplication?
As far as I know, GtkApplication depends on dbus.
You can not use
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On 02/24/11 08:41, Tristan Van Berkom wrote:
As far as I know, GtkApplication depends on GIO, which
should have some extension points for services on different
operating systems... using dbus on linux (not exactly sure
how this works currently in
On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 21:57 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote:
I'm trying to wrap GtkApplication for gtkmm but I can't really do that
until I understand how it's meant to be used.
In general, I find the documentation lacks overview and advice, partly
because it's spread between GApplication and
I'm trying to wrap GtkApplication for gtkmm but I can't really do that
until I understand how it's meant to be used.
In general, I find the documentation lacks overview and advice, partly
because it's spread between GApplication and GtkApplication and mentions
some concepts without explaining
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