Re: atk 'missing symbols' problem since gnome-3-14

2014-09-26 Thread Piñeiro
build from git. Could you try to do the same with the tarball? BR -- Alejandro Piñeiro ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list

Re: atk 'missing symbols' problem since gnome-3-14

2014-09-25 Thread Piñeiro
more experience with MSVC, and did this work. BR -- Alejandro Piñeiro ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list

Re: GTK+ scene graph, API deprecations

2014-08-19 Thread Piñeiro
. And the accessibility implementation of GtkTreeView is also really complex and regression-prone. BR -- Alejandro Piñeiro ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list

ATK: solving the multi-toolkit environment with an API and not with implementation hacks

2013-12-05 Thread Piñeiro
+/tree/gtk/a11y/gtkwidgetaccessible.c#n516 [6] https://git.gnome.org/browse/clutter/tree/clutter/cally/cally-actor.c#n525 -- Alejandro Piñeiro ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk

Re: ATK question

2013-11-18 Thread Piñeiro
/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-devel [2] https://wiki.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner/Releasing -- Alejandro Piñeiro ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list

Re: ATK question

2013-11-18 Thread Piñeiro
On 11/18/2013 06:54 PM, Piñeiro wrote: So on the branch gnome-3-2 of atk, you will find the atk that you should use on gnome 3.0.x. typo: gnome-3-2 on gnome *3.2.x* -- Alejandro Piñeiro ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel

Re: ATK test is failing

2013-03-22 Thread Piñeiro
on the test. On GNOME we usually use bugzilla to report this kind of problems: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=atk If you want, you could provide a patch there. Thanks for the feedback. BR -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias ___ gtk-devel-list

Re: GtkWidget::visible

2013-01-09 Thread Piñeiro
] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=648260#c0 [6] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=648260#c7 [7] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=648260#c6 -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org

Re: About making public gtk accessibility headers

2012-08-08 Thread Piñeiro
On 08/08/2012 12:35 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Piñeiro apinhe...@igalia.com wrote: On 08/07/2012 03:17 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: BTW. At this moment we can't implement d) directly using gtk_widget_class_set_accessible_type at this moment. As it is said

Re: About making public gtk accessibility headers

2012-08-08 Thread Piñeiro
On 08/08/2012 09:32 AM, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: hi; On 7 August 2012 17:58, Piñeiro apinhe...@igalia.com wrote: d) Keep gtkaccessible as the only public one, so third party applications will require to reimplement the ATK interfaces or the accessibility support for their custom widgets

About making public gtk accessibility headers

2012-08-01 Thread Piñeiro
://projects.gnome.org/accessibility/talks/GUAD3C/making-apps-accessible/anonymous-inheritance-2.html [4] http://developer.gnome.org/atk/stable/AtkObjectFactory.html -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org https

Re: Accessibility in GTK+ under Windows - licensing question

2012-04-18 Thread Piñeiro
On 04/17/2012 01:50 PM, Evgeniy Philippov wrote: (I didn't yet research where my possible future UIA code goes to: probably to ATK, but I didn't study yet.) Why on ATK? ATK is an accessibility abstraction like UIA. What do you want to add on ATK in relation to UIA? BR -- Alejandro Piñeiro

Re: Two questions: GTK for visually impaired. Windows gtk bundle for apps guidance.

2012-04-11 Thread Piñeiro
, but AFAIK, nobody started or had time for that work. BR [1] http://www.nvda-project.org/wiki/About -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list

Re: wip/apocalypses/apocalypse-1

2012-01-10 Thread Piñeiro
with the ClutterXXX planned to be deprecated? BR -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list

Re: [g-a-devel] Coming to grips with the state of a11y in GNOME

2011-11-04 Thread Piñeiro
for the interesting analysis. BR [3] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=649559#c1 [4] http://www.tuaw.com/2010/09/20/blind-user-explains-why-he-loves-the-iphone/ [5] http://opensourcebridge.org/sessions/670 -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias ___ gtk-devel-list

Re: A GTK+ hackfest opportunity

2011-11-02 Thread Piñeiro
or just that would be good to have some a11y folks there? BR -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list

Re: [g-a-devel] Gail next steps (was Re: GTK and ATK)

2011-07-05 Thread Piñeiro
converted FWIW, on ST right now this is done by a class method called get_accessible_type. But probably it would be good to homogenize this stuff, including cally, and remove also the factories there. BR -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias (API) (apinhe...@igalia.com

Re: [g-a-devel] Gail next steps (was Re: GTK and ATK)

2011-06-20 Thread Piñeiro
. I don't understand this you still need to load atk-bridge ..., are there short-term plans to avoid the atk-bridge loading? BR -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias (API) (apinhe...@igalia.com) ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http

Re: Gail next steps (was Re: GTK and ATK)

2011-06-07 Thread Piñeiro
-list/2011-May/msg00059.html [4] https://www.desktopsummit.org/program [5] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=649575 [7] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=650669 -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias (API) (apinhe...@igalia.com) ___ gtk-devel-list

Re: Gail next steps (was Re: GTK and ATK)

2011-06-07 Thread Piñeiro
Piñeiro Iglesias (API) (apinhe...@igalia.com) ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list

Re: Gail next steps (was Re: GTK and ATK)

2011-06-07 Thread Piñeiro
cally was already inside clutter ? Yes, cally is already part of clutter. So 1) doesn't apply to clutter. I guess that Emmanuele was talking about 5) (as cally is after all an ATK implementation) BR -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias (API) (apinhe...@igalia.com

Re: Gail next steps (was Re: GTK and ATK)

2011-06-06 Thread Piñeiro
accessible friendly, in general, gtkhtml is not really accessible friendly. Lets hope the situation improves with the WekkitGTK move: https://live.gnome.org/Evolution/Planning32 BR -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias (API) (apinhe...@igalia.com) ___ gtk

Re: Gail next steps (was Re: GTK and ATK)

2011-06-04 Thread Piñeiro
/archives/orca-list/2011-May/msg00048.html [4] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2011-May/msg00143.html -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias (API) (apinhe...@igalia.com) ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org

Gail next steps (was Re: GTK and ATK)

2011-06-01 Thread Piñeiro
-- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias (API) (apinhe...@igalia.com) ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list

Re: [g-a-devel] GTK and ATK

2011-05-13 Thread Piñeiro
On 05/13/2011 04:48 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Piñeiroapinhe...@igalia.com wrote: On 05/11/2011 02:57 PM, Benjamin Otte wrote: Well most of the paragraphs were already answered by Brian, but I would like to add a comment here.What concerns me a lot is that

Re: [g-a-devel] GTK and ATK

2011-05-13 Thread Piñeiro
On 05/13/2011 04:32 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Brian Cameron brian.came...@oracle.com wrote: Another example is that the ATK abstracts common characteristics of widgets in a way that is useful to AT programs. All widgets that deal with text (labels, entry

Re: [g-a-devel] GTK and ATK

2011-05-13 Thread Piñeiro
On 05/13/2011 04:47 PM, Benjamin Otte wrote: On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: I would argue that if all the widgets dealing with text really have the same needs, they should really support the same interface in GTK+, and there should be no need

Re: [g-a-devel] GTK and ATK

2011-05-13 Thread Piñeiro
On 05/13/2011 05:47 PM, Piñeiro wrote: The magnifier requires it for focus-tracking. As I said Joseph was planning to try to use some at-spi functionalities on the gs magnifier. As right now at-spi2 python bindings are created with gobject introspection, in theory it could be possible

Re: [g-a-devel] GTK and ATK

2011-05-12 Thread Piñeiro
On 05/11/2011 02:57 PM, Benjamin Otte wrote: Well most of the paragraphs were already answered by Brian, but I would like to add a comment here.What concerns me a lot is that there is only very few applications that actually make use of this huge abstraction layer that is AT-SPI. I'm often

Re: [g-a-devel] Coming to grips with the state of a11y in gtk

2011-02-21 Thread Piñeiro
From: Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com I've spent some time this weekend starting to explore how moving gail implementations into gtk 1-by-1 will work in practice. I didn't get very far (GtkWidget, GtkContainer and GtkImage), but the exercise proves very useful for spotting all the

Re: [g-a-devel] Coming to grips with the state of a11y in gtk

2011-02-18 Thread Piñeiro
From: Li Yuan liy...@gnome.org I haven't particularly checked. But if the two are incompatible, they should really take measures to prevent running them in parallel, like taking a well-known busname... Well, Mike Gorse or Li Yuan would know the details better. Not sure if it is really

Re: [g-a-devel] Coming to grips with the state of a11y in gtk

2011-02-18 Thread Piñeiro
this random rant ... yes, if there are resources, the current gail should be integrated on gtk independently of the new API we are planning for ATK2. On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 1:27 AM, Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Piñeiro apinhe...@igalia.com wrote

Re: [g-a-devel] Coming to grips with the state of a11y in gtk

2011-02-17 Thread Piñeiro
From: Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com I've spent the last night poring through gail bugs and code, and came to the conclusion that we need to face the tough reality that the state of a11y in GTK+ is sadly declining. There were years old patches in bugzilla which fix pretty obvious

Re: Coming to grips with the state of a11y in gtk

2011-02-17 Thread Piñeiro
From: Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 09:43 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: The current state of affairs cannot be useful for anybody. let's also look at the state of Atk's API, and what's required to do to create an ATK implementation. when I looked at the accessible

Re: [g-a-devel] Coming to grips with the state of a11y in gtk

2011-02-17 Thread Piñeiro
From: Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Piñeiro apinhe...@igalia.com wrote: Although move the gail implementation to gtk has his advantages, why this would be better that just fix them directly on gail? One of the big problems here is the lack

Re: [g-a-devel] Coming to grips with the state of a11y in gtk

2011-02-17 Thread Piñeiro
From: Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Piñeiro apinhe...@igalia.com wrote: Ok, so you are proposing a change more deep that I thought. You are proposing to forget this proxy approach on the accessibility support. As far as I understand you

Re: [g-a-devel] Coming to grips with the state of a11y in gtk

2011-02-17 Thread Piñeiro
From: Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Piñeiro apinhe...@igalia.com wrote: 1 of 4 is failing. Could you elaborate why this theorical points have failed miserably? In my view, keeping the a11y implementation in their separate module ghetto

Re: [g-a-devel] Coming to grips with the state of a11y in gtk

2011-02-17 Thread Piñeiro
From: Dan Winship d...@gnome.org On 02/17/2011 11:22 AM, Piñeiro wrote: You are proposing to forget this proxy approach on the accessibility support. As far as I understand you are proposing to implement the ATK interfaces directly on GTK, so instead of having a GTK widget and his accessible

Re: [g-a-devel] Coming to grips with the state of a11y in gtk

2011-02-17 Thread Piñeiro
From: Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Piñeiro apinhe...@igalia.com wrote: So probably we could study that. Anyway, in the same way, right now I don't see how this would better that the option proposed by Matthias. Oh, I think having the option

Re: Problems with Orca and Accerciser calling GConf client and at-spi2

2011-01-24 Thread Piñeiro
From: Tomeu Vizoso tomeu.viz...@collabora.co.uk On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 17:22, Piñeiro apinhe...@igalia.com wrote: So my question (please, if there are a best ml, point that, AFAIK, there isn't a gobject introspection mailing list):  * There is a way to force to load the old python bindings

Problems with Orca and Accerciser calling GConf client and at-spi2

2011-01-21 Thread Piñeiro
Some people during the last weeks (me included) can't use accerciser, as it crashes with this error: Traceback (most recent call last): File /opt/gnome3/bin/accerciser, line 51, in module accerciser.main() File /opt/gnome3/lib/python2.7/site-packages/accerciser/__init__.py, line 34, in

Re: Minutes of the GTK+ Team Meeting - 2010-12-14

2010-12-15 Thread Piñeiro
From: Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com $(q...@(B treeview refactoring - massive refactoring - 41 files changed, 13568 insertions(+), 3204 deletions(-) - GtkCellArea - moves code out of TreeViewColumn to allow sharing with other cell-based view widgets (GtkIconView, GtkComboBox)

Re: Minutes of the GTK+ Team Meeting - 2010-12-14

2010-12-15 Thread Piñeiro
From: Tristan Van Berkom trista...@openismus.com I expect libgail to not need any changes, we paid special attention that focus navigation was going to work the same way using the new code... however there could be some fallout I'm not aware of... And as usually test if there are any fallout

Re: Minutes of the GTK+ team GUADEC meeting - 2010-07-29

2010-08-03 Thread Piñeiro
From: Ryan Lortie de...@desrt.ca On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 01:28 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: • Hackfest ∘ Planned for October w22 (18th-22nd) I will try to make it this time, for a change. Are the dates final yet ? Set in stone and approved by the foundation. It's fine to start booking

Re: GTK+ at the UX Hackfest

2010-03-01 Thread Piñeiro
From: Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net CCing gnome-accessibility list, as probably I will forgot several things. - a11y instant-on (if not instant-off) a11y is enabled in applications when the XSettings mention that the GTK+ modules should be loaded. We could make GTK+ programs instant-apply

Re: GTK+ at the UX Hackfest

2010-03-01 Thread Piñeiro
From: Cosimo Cecchi cosi...@gnome.org On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 16:44 +0100, Piñeiro wrote: In the gtk side, I don't know much about the XSettings, but I suppose that you are talking more general, and XSetting will manage all the gtk modules to be loaded (engines, and so on). So XSettings would