Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-10-22 Thread Jon Cruz
On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:11 AM, John Ralls wrote: I've made a lot of progress on this in the last few weeks. The wiki pages are transferred, the gtk-osx, gtk-mac-integration, gtk-mac-bundler projects are in git.gnome and ftp.gnome, and Kris has gotten most of the patches reviewed and I've

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-10-11 Thread Paul Davis
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:11 PM, John Ralls jra...@ceridwen.us wrote: Please have a look and comment either here or directly to me. I'd like to merge this into gtk-web master by Thursday. looks good to me. we should also get ardour onto the ported-app list somehow.

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-10-11 Thread John Ralls
On Oct 11, 2011, at 3:18 PM, Paul Davis wrote: On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:11 PM, John Ralls jra...@ceridwen.us wrote: Please have a look and comment either here or directly to me. I'd like to merge this into gtk-web master by Thursday. looks good to me. we should also get ardour onto the

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-10-10 Thread John Ralls
I've made a lot of progress on this in the last few weeks. The wiki pages are transferred, the gtk-osx, gtk-mac-integration, gtk-mac-bundler projects are in git.gnome and ftp.gnome, and Kris has gotten most of the patches reviewed and I've pushed them. Now to the web page. I've written a

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-10-10 Thread Alberto Ruiz
Great stuff! Thanks a lot for the effort John, good job! :-) 2011/10/10 John Ralls jra...@ceridwen.us I've made a lot of progress on this in the last few weeks. The wiki pages are transferred, the gtk-osx, gtk-mac-integration, gtk-mac-bundler projects are in git.gnome and ftp.gnome, and Kris

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-12 Thread Kristian Rietveld
On Sep 12, 2011, at 9:15 PM, John Ralls wrote: I rebased a local branch off quartz-integration against master and carefully went through all of the changes. There were indeed a couple that didn't have bugs, so I created the bugs and attached the relevant patches. There were some others

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-12 Thread John Ralls
On Sep 7, 2011, at 7:26 AM, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: Now, on technical matters: I looked quickly at git diff origin/master..origin/quartz-integration and the diff is very simple: * A bunch of changes to gdk-quartz and gtk*-quartz.c - I imagine that these can be merged just as they

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-09 Thread Frederic Peters
John Ralls wrote: Not moduleset, modulesets. Three sets of 9 modulesets. Also 36 patches, some of which are obsolete and could be deleted (and a bunch more that could become obsolete if they were approved for committing to Gtk), a customized jhbuildrc and several examples for further

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-09 Thread Michal Suchanek
On 8 September 2011 23:42, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 10:38:02AM -0700, John Ralls wrote: And the fact that I'm here shows that I agree. Shawn was here (until Olaf kicked him off this morning) for the same reason. I'm quite Shawn kicked himself off. If you

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-09 Thread Allin Cottrell
On Fri, 9 Sep 2011, Michal Suchanek wrote: [something irritable] My reaction to the recent exchanges concerning GTK on both OS X and MS Windows is quite different. Despite some snappishness the conversation seems very encouraging for the future of GTK as a cross-platform toolkit. Thanks,

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-09 Thread Michal Suchanek
On 9 September 2011 14:58, Allin Cottrell cottr...@wfu.edu wrote: On Fri, 9 Sep 2011, Michal Suchanek wrote: [something irritable] My reaction to the recent exchanges concerning GTK on both OS X and MS Windows is quite different. Despite some snappishness the conversation seems very

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-08 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 05:28:21PM -0700, John Ralls wrote: The rest of Gtk-OSX isn't Gtk. It's a build system using jhbuild with its own modulesets, a python script for making application bundles, and a few other bits and pieces, including gtk-quartz-engine, a Cocoa HIT theme engine which I

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-08 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 12:34:59PM -0400, Shawn Bakhtiar wrote: Emmanuel I understand you care about Jeff, and though I believe the initial message could be worded differently, I have to say: * pot calling the kettle black regarding tone on the mailing list * you're now banned from

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-08 Thread John Ralls
On Sep 8, 2011, at 4:55 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 05:28:21PM -0700, John Ralls wrote: The rest of Gtk-OSX isn't Gtk. It's a build system using jhbuild with its own modulesets, The moduleset could just be in jhbuild? Not moduleset, modulesets. Three sets of 9

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-08 Thread John Ralls
On Sep 7, 2011, at 2:10 AM, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: Le mardi 06 septembre 2011 à 16:34 -0700, John Ralls a écrit : I'm not going to respond to most of that. I think you shouldn't take Emmanuele's tone so bad. ;-) He's always very direct, but his point is right, and his suggestions are

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-08 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 10:38:02AM -0700, John Ralls wrote: And the fact that I'm here shows that I agree. Shawn was here (until Olaf kicked him off this morning) for the same reason. I'm quite Shawn kicked himself off. -- Regards, Olav ___

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-07 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
hi Paul; On 2011-09-06 at 18:18, Paul Davis wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com wrote: otherwise you're just forking gtk, and using the resources of the gtk project to give an aura of officiality to what is essentially your own personal project. I'd

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-07 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le mardi 06 septembre 2011 à 16:34 -0700, John Ralls a écrit : I'm not going to respond to most of that. I think you shouldn't take Emmanuele's tone so bad. ;-) He's always very direct, but his point is right, and his suggestions are actually the acknowledgment that your work is worth being part

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-07 Thread Kristian Rietveld
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Milan Bouchet-Valat nalimi...@club.fr wrote: Le mardi 06 septembre 2011 à 16:34 -0700, John Ralls a écrit : It's not a fork of Gtk+ (yet, though on days like this one I get really tempted). I actually revived the gtk-osx project on SF; the previous version was

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-07 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 08:25 +0100, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: Windows and Linux build issues and support are handled on gnome.org: the Quartz backend of gtk is not in any regard special and it should not need separate resources. One thing we have been bad at is learning to accept that sometimes,

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-07 Thread Javier Jardón
On 7 September 2011 15:26, Federico Mena Quintero feder...@gnome.org wrote: As to what is in Bugzilla, is there a quick way to find all the Quartz bugs to speed up their review?  (Or are those patches already in the quartz-integration branch?  I didn't look at individual commits to see if

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-07 Thread Carlos Garnacho
Hey :), On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 09:26 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: * This bit: --- a/gdk/x11/gdkdevicemanager-xi2.c +++ b/gdk/x11/gdkdevicemanager-xi2.c @@ -417,10 +417,6 @@ gdk_x11_device_manager_xi2_constructed (GObject *object) for (i = 0; i ndevices; i++) { dev

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-07 Thread Javier Jardón
2011/9/7 Javier Jardón jjar...@gnome.org: On 7 September 2011 15:26, Federico Mena Quintero feder...@gnome.org wrote: As to what is in Bugzilla, is there a quick way to find all the Quartz bugs to speed up their review?  (Or are those patches already in the quartz-integration branch?  I

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-07 Thread Andy Spencer
On 2011-09-07, Carlos Garnacho wrote: That's the inverse of a recent commit of mine to master, not sure how it slipped in the diff, maybe the branch is being compared to a more recent master? Perhaps `git diff origin/master...origin/quartz-integration' would work better? P.S. As someone who's

RE: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-07 Thread Shawn Bakhtiar
EmmanuelYour an ass (as in donkey) But don't be offended by my tone, I only say this because I care about what happens the the OS X version of GTK. John has been working his tail off, all the while responding to dump developers like me, while I can't get a tweet out of an elites

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-07 Thread Kean Johnston
On 9/7/2011 6:34 PM, Shawn Bakhtiar wrote: EmmanuelYour an ass (as in donkey) Everyone just HAS to vent their spleen, don't they? I don't know John so maybe I am off base here but I'm fairly certain he is capable of defending himself quite well without that sort of useless comment.

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-07 Thread John Ralls
On Sep 7, 2011, at 7:26 AM, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 08:25 +0100, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: Windows and Linux build issues and support are handled on gnome.org: the Quartz backend of gtk is not in any regard special and it should not need separate resources. One

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-06 Thread Paul Davis
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com wrote: okay, I've tried to get ahold of the gtk-osx project for a while, now, but since sf.net is just a joke and decided to reject my @gmail.com emails, let's try here. can we *please* stop this madness: 17:05 CIA-8 jralls

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-06 Thread John Ralls
On Sep 6, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: okay, I've tried to get ahold of the gtk-osx project for a while, now, but since sf.net is just a joke and decided to reject my @gmail.com emails, let's try here. can we *please* stop this madness: 17:05 CIA-8 jralls

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-06 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
On 2011-09-06 at 13:32, John Ralls wrote: if there are patches for gtk-quartz, why are these inside at least three branches instead of being committed to corresponding main line one? why are these branch continuously being merged instead of being rebased, if they are personal branches?

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-06 Thread Paul Davis
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com wrote: otherwise you're just forking gtk, and using the resources of the gtk project to give an aura of officiality to what is essentially your own personal project. I'd politely request that you stop using this tone in

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-06 Thread John Ralls
On Sep 6, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: On 2011-09-06 at 13:32, John Ralls wrote: if there are patches for gtk-quartz, why are these inside at least three branches instead of being committed to corresponding main line one? why are these branch continuously being merged instead