Re: Gtk-OSX (was: Website proposal for usability)

2010-08-30 Thread Allin Cottrell
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Paul Davis wrote: > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Allin Cottrell wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Tor Lillqvist wrote: > > > >> > It has certainly been explained that that is the situation on > >> > Windows, and I fully accept it. It's less clear that it should be > >> > th

Re: Gtk-OSX (was: Website proposal for usability)

2010-08-30 Thread Paul Davis
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Allin Cottrell wrote: > On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Tor Lillqvist wrote: > >> > It has certainly been explained that that is the situation on >> > Windows, and I fully accept it. It's less clear that it should be >> > the situation on OS X, with its *nix-type substructure

Re: Gtk-OSX (was: Website proposal for usability)

2010-08-30 Thread Allin Cottrell
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Tor Lillqvist wrote: > > It has certainly been explained that that is the situation on > > Windows, and I fully accept it. It's less clear that it should be > > the situation on OS X, with its *nix-type substructure. > > You have it backwards. It was from the GTK-on-OS-X peopl

Re: Gtk-OSX (was: Website proposal for usability)

2010-08-30 Thread Tor Lillqvist
> It has certainly been explained that that is the situation on > Windows, and I fully accept it. It's less clear that it should be > the situation on OS X, with its *nix-type substructure. You have it backwards. It was from the GTK-on-OS-X people (well, at least those that I have heard from) that

Re: Gtk-OSX (was: Website proposal for usability)

2010-08-30 Thread Allin Cottrell
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Paul Davis wrote: > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Allin Cottrell wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Kristian Rietveld wrote: > > > >> For a GTK+ runtime package ("GTK+ Framework"), I think you should > >> check out what has been done in the past.  It is by no means an easy >

Re: Gtk-OSX (was: Website proposal for usability)

2010-08-30 Thread Paul Davis
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Alberto Ruiz wrote: > Hello Paul, > > 2010/8/30 Paul Davis : >>> As long as the people working on GTK-OSX do it with a us-vs-them >>> attitude (like you display here by talking about the GTK developers in >>> third person), things are not going to change. If you st

Re: Gtk-OSX (was: Website proposal for usability)

2010-08-30 Thread Alberto Ruiz
Hello Paul, 2010/8/30 Paul Davis : >> As long as the people working on GTK-OSX do it with a us-vs-them >> attitude (like you display here by talking about the GTK developers in >> third person), things are not going to change. If you start >> considering yourself part of the team and actively enga

Re: Gtk-OSX (was: Website proposal for usability)

2010-08-29 Thread Paul Davis
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:35 AM, John Ralls wrote: > >> You might not like the warnings about the quality of Gtk+ Quartz, but when I >> wrote them a year ago, no one had touched the quartz backend for 8 months. >> Since then, one devel

Re: Gtk-OSX (was: Website proposal for usability)

2010-08-29 Thread Paul Davis
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Allin Cottrell wrote: > On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Kristian Rietveld wrote: > >> For a GTK+ runtime package ("GTK+ Framework"), I think you should >> check out what has been done in the past.  It is by no means an easy >> task.  The latest code and instructions for this

Re: Gtk-OSX (was: Website proposal for usability)

2010-08-27 Thread Allin Cottrell
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Kristian Rietveld wrote: > For a GTK+ runtime package ("GTK+ Framework"), I think you should > check out what has been done in the past. It is by no means an easy > task. The latest code and instructions for this are at the GTK-OSX > website if I am not mistaken. I'm aware

Re: Gtk-OSX (was: Website proposal for usability)

2010-08-27 Thread Allin Cottrell
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010, John Ralls wrote: [ in response to http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2010-August/msg00244.html ] > Gtk-OSX is *not* part of Gtk+. Well, perhaps that's the problem right there. I've got nothing "personal" against Gtk-OSX but it seems that the main GTK site should

Re: Gtk-OSX (was: Website proposal for usability)

2010-08-27 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:35 AM, John Ralls wrote: > You might not like the warnings about the quality of Gtk+ Quartz, but when I > wrote them a year ago, no one had touched the quartz backend for 8 months. > Since then, one developer (Kristian Reitveld) has fixed many of the > outstanding bu

RE: Gtk-OSX (was: Website proposal for usability)

2010-08-27 Thread Shawn Bakhtiar
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Re: Gtk-OSX (was: Website proposal for usability)

2010-08-27 Thread Kristian Rietveld
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 6:35 AM, John Ralls wrote: >> I don't know how many people share these views, but if I'm not >> totally out on a limb I would be willing to draft a page along the >> lines I'm talking about (recruiting help from those who are more >> knowledgeable). I'd also be willing to t

Re: Gtk-OSX (was: Website proposal for usability)

2010-08-27 Thread Alberto Ruiz
Hi John, 2010/8/27 John Ralls : > > Gtk-OSX is *not* part of Gtk+. Maybe that's something we should fix? Resources around Gtk+ are already way too fragmented. -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail

Re: Gtk-OSX (was: Website proposal for usability)

2010-08-26 Thread John Ralls
On Aug 26, 2010, at 8:08 PM, Allin Cottrell wrote: > On Thu, 26 Aug 2010, Devin Samarin wrote: > >> I moved the URL from >> >> http://eboyjr.homelinux.org:8080/gtk/ >> to >> http://eboyjr.homelinux.org:8081/ > > This looks good to me. But given that the website is getting a lot > of attention,