Re: GTK+3/Win32 : looking for help
On ven, 2014-06-06 at 22:24 +, C. Thomas Stover wrote: > No, that's why I asked. GIMP and Inkscape are great. I use them both. > Though do many people use them on windows? This is a serious question. I've seen several people use GIMP on Windows, and I've spoken to many less technical people who are aware of GIMP, but have never heard of Linux. So, I would suggest that, yes, many people use GIMP (and maybe Inkscape) on Windows. I would imagine there are download statistics somewhere which can help confirm that. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ gtk-list mailing list gtk-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list
Re: GTK+3/Win32 : looking for help
On lör, 2014-06-07 at 12:17 +0100, Sam Bull wrote: > On ven, 2014-06-06 at 22:24 +, C. Thomas Stover wrote: > > No, that's why I asked. GIMP and Inkscape are great. I use them both. > > Though do many people use them on windows? This is a serious question. > > I've seen several people use GIMP on Windows, and I've spoken to many > less technical people who are aware of GIMP, but have never heard of > Linux. So, I would suggest that, yes, many people use GIMP (and maybe > Inkscape) on Windows. I would imagine there are download statistics > somewhere which can help confirm that. Old steam installed package data from: http://web.archive.org/web/20100928220542/http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/ Reports that 6.26% of all win32 steam users have gimp installed. This is actually quite a lot of installs! ___ gtk-list mailing list gtk-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list
Re: GTK+3/Win32 : looking for help
Hello, On 2014-06-06 Alberto Ruiz wrote: > Do you have any idea how many people save hunderds of dollars by > having GIMP and Inkscape available on Windows? Why should this matter? Not only money is just green paper and not actually a useful thing for problem solving, people who want to contribute don't get any money - it's not the money, theirs or others', that motivates them anyway. Do you have any idea how many people waste hunderds of dollars by using GIMP and Inkscape on Windows? The reason GTK on Windows is used for these things is that some people want to please and make profit, more than help promote and spread freedom and openness, and these people prefer to make you a Window$ version than offer to help you switch to GNU/Linux. The truth is, nothing is saved by using Inkspace of GIMP, maybe except for wheel-reinvention. Both the Photoshop developers and free software developers need to get food to the table, and the money for that food comes this way or another, directly or indirectly from the end users. Let's make a beautiful world where we offer to help them switch to GNU/Linux, instead of serving the greedy pig on a golden plate. It will even save the extra work of repeatedly making a Window$ version in a one-sided fashion (or has Micro$oft offered to help?). What do you think? -- fr33 > > > 2014-06-06 20:29 GMT+02:00 C. Thomas Stover : > > > On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 13:08:24 +0200, Tarnyko wrote: > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > It may have been obvious to anybody following the releases, but I > > > severely lack the free time (hence the ability) to work on GTK+3 > > > for Win32, for some months now. So I am basically asking for help. > > > > > > I summarized the who-what-when in this blog post : > > > > > > http://www.tarnyko.net/en/?q=node/48 > > > > > > So if anybody wants to contribute, he's more than welcome to > > > answer this thread, or show up on IRC. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Tarnyko > > > > I'm interested in being interested. Are you looking to move on > > entirely, or are you just looking for additional team members? Of > > the questions that come to my mind that would be appropriate for > > the mailing list, the first and most high level is existential in > > nature. I'm unfamiliar with the back story on why Tor Lillqvist > > moved on. I myself switched jobs last year, and no longer even have > > to acknowledge windows even exists. The notion of windows > > development on windows itself has long died in my eyes. Still, I > > have interest in maintaining the ability of a number of small > > projects to cross compile to windows targets. (Either from linux or > > cygwin hosts). > > > > Sincerely I mean not to troll, but I do find myself questioning the > > validity of cross platform development in the current era. With the > > seemingly overwhelming forces of fragmented proprietary platforms > > with lock-in™ based technology winning more and more over to "the > > dark side", people who are actually interested in open/community > > based/lower level technology generally just use a linux or a bsd. > > Like me, the ones out of that group that still have to put up with > > windows (and even osx), get older and either move on to new > > positions or gain the seniority to phase out the silliness. So > > while the intellectual challenge of getting any sort of work done > > with windows will always be a thrilling pursuit for those of us > > with a certain type of post traumatic stress disorder, are there > > enough end users for this? > > > > [editors note: I just deleted two paragraphs of > > even-less-constructive ranting, that can be summarized as an even > > further off topic grumbling about me not liking OSX and that > > "other" toolkit.] > > > > The pleasure and professorial paths that desktop computing with open > > source software offer will continue to grow, though as a percentage > > of all things software development, it will continue to decline. > > Given that model, it just seems like an indicator of more > > consolidation for the core user base. > > > > There is of course an even more pessimistic school of thought that > > comes to the conclusion that the self inflicted damage from the > > last generation of desktop environments will revive 90's era 'doz > > on the desk and 'nix in the closet/cloud to a point where things > > like gtk on windows are more important than ever, but I'm not that > > camp yet. (Too many cool things like i3wm, for that.) > > > > C. Thomas Stover > > > > ___ > > desktop-devel-list mailing list > > desktop-devel-l...@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list > > > > ___ gtk-list mailing list gtk-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list
Re: GTK+3/Win32 : looking for help
Hi Daniel, Daniel Espinosa writes: Have you considered to have a Bugzilla product to file against and follow solutions? I don't any Autotools issue. Although there are still opened autotools-related bugs (like this one : https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=700445), most of them are more feature and source code related (see the documents on the blog post). There need to be C patches. Have you a repository on git.gnome.org or consider to have one? Could this make your effort an official one? The build system is already on https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk3-build-system, and the win32 code is directly in the gtk+ repo. Personally, I see this more as a general support issue. El jun 6, 2014 6:49 a.m., "Tarnyko" escribió: Hi folks, It may have been obvious to anybody following the releases, but I severely lack the free time (hence the ability) to work on GTK+3 for Win32, for some months now. So I am basically asking for help. I summarized the who-what-when in this blog post : http://www.tarnyko.net/en/?q=node/48 So if anybody wants to contribute, he's more than welcome to answer this thread, or show up on IRC. Regards, Tarnyko ___ gtk-list mailing list gtk-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list ___ gtk-list mailing list gtk-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list
Re: GTK+3/Win32 : looking for help
Hi C. Thomas, Are you looking to move on entirely, or are you just looking for additional team members? Additional team member. There needs to be at least one person dedicated, either to the build system, or to making patches. I then could become the other person, because I cannot fulfill both roles. are there enough end users for this? I think there are. Just look at the GIMP user ranks. Regards, Tarnyko ___ gtk-list mailing list gtk-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list
Re: GTK+3/Win32 : looking for help
I would like to help on Autotools side if there some. I really thing using jhbuild is better in order to automate building https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Windows/MingwNativeBuild#Build_dependencies . As any other great software GTK+ should release a new version along side with a Windows and OS X installers, trying to ensure new features work correctly in that OS's, that will help users and developers to get benefits. That's why is important to have jhbuild creating binaries for development versions, as a tools for other OS users to test GTK+ before any new release. El jun 6, 2014 6:02 p.m., "Andy Tai" escribió: > My wife uses GIMP on windows, if you want a random sample. Yes, saves all > the money that would go to Adobe. > > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:24 PM, C. Thomas Stover > wrote: > >> On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 23:37:37 +0200, Alberto Ruiz wrote: >> >> > Do you have any idea how many people save hunderds of dollars by having >> > GIMP and Inkscape available on Windows? >> > >> >> No, that's why I asked. GIMP and Inkscape are great. I use them both. >> Though do many people use them on windows? This is a serious question. >> >> C. Thomas Stover >> >> ___ >> desktop-devel-list mailing list >> desktop-devel-l...@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list >> > > > > -- > Andy Tai, a...@atai.org, Skype: licheng.tai > Year 2014 民國103年 > 自動的精神力是信仰與覺悟 > 自動的行為力是勞動與技能 > > ___ > gtk-list mailing list > gtk-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list > > ___ gtk-list mailing list gtk-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list
Re: GTK+3/Win32 : looking for help
My wife uses GIMP on windows, if you want a random sample. Yes, saves all the money that would go to Adobe. On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:24 PM, C. Thomas Stover wrote: > On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 23:37:37 +0200, Alberto Ruiz wrote: > > > Do you have any idea how many people save hunderds of dollars by having > > GIMP and Inkscape available on Windows? > > > > No, that's why I asked. GIMP and Inkscape are great. I use them both. > Though do many people use them on windows? This is a serious question. > > C. Thomas Stover > > ___ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > desktop-devel-l...@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list > -- Andy Tai, a...@atai.org, Skype: licheng.tai Year 2014 民國103年 自動的精神力是信仰與覺悟 自動的行為力是勞動與技能 ___ gtk-list mailing list gtk-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list
Re: GTK+3/Win32 : looking for help
Do you have any idea how many people save hunderds of dollars by having GIMP and Inkscape available on Windows? 2014-06-06 20:29 GMT+02:00 C. Thomas Stover : > On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 13:08:24 +0200, Tarnyko wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > It may have been obvious to anybody following the releases, but I > > severely lack the free time (hence the ability) to work on GTK+3 for > > Win32, for some months now. So I am basically asking for help. > > > > I summarized the who-what-when in this blog post : > > > > http://www.tarnyko.net/en/?q=node/48 > > > > So if anybody wants to contribute, he's more than welcome to answer this > > thread, or show up on IRC. > > > > Regards, > > Tarnyko > > I'm interested in being interested. Are you looking to move on entirely, > or are you just looking for additional team members? Of the questions > that come to my mind that would be appropriate for the mailing list, the > first and most high level is existential in nature. I'm unfamiliar with > the back story on why Tor Lillqvist moved on. I myself switched jobs last > year, and no longer even have to acknowledge windows even exists. The > notion of windows development on windows itself has long died in my eyes. > Still, I have interest in maintaining the ability of a number of small > projects to cross compile to windows targets. (Either from linux or cygwin > hosts). > > Sincerely I mean not to troll, but I do find myself questioning the > validity of cross platform development in the current era. With the > seemingly overwhelming forces of fragmented proprietary platforms with > lock-in™ based technology winning more and more over to "the dark side", > people who are actually interested in open/community based/lower level > technology generally just use a linux or a bsd. Like me, the ones out of > that group that still have to put up with windows (and even osx), get > older and either move on to new positions or gain the seniority to phase > out the silliness. So while the intellectual challenge of getting any > sort of work done with windows will always be a thrilling pursuit for > those of us with a certain type of post traumatic stress disorder, are > there enough end users for this? > > [editors note: I just deleted two paragraphs of even-less-constructive > ranting, that can be summarized as an even further off topic grumbling > about me not liking OSX and that "other" toolkit.] > > The pleasure and professorial paths that desktop computing with open > source software offer will continue to grow, though as a percentage of > all things software development, it will continue to decline. Given that > model, it just seems like an indicator of more consolidation for the core > user base. > > There is of course an even more pessimistic school of thought that comes > to the conclusion that the self inflicted damage from the last generation > of desktop environments will revive 90's era 'doz on the desk and 'nix in > the closet/cloud to a point where things like gtk on windows are more > important than ever, but I'm not that camp yet. (Too many cool things > like i3wm, for that.) > > C. Thomas Stover > > ___ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > desktop-devel-l...@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ gtk-list mailing list gtk-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list
Re: GTK+3/Win32 : looking for help
Have you considered to have a Bugzilla product to file against and follow solutions? I don't any Autotools issue. Have you a repository on git.gnome.org or consider to have one? Could this make your effort an official one? El jun 6, 2014 6:49 a.m., "Tarnyko" escribió: > Hi folks, > It may have been obvious to anybody following the releases, but I severely > lack the free time (hence the ability) to work on GTK+3 for Win32, for some > months now. So I am basically asking for help. > I summarized the who-what-when in this blog post : > http://www.tarnyko.net/en/?q=node/48 > So if anybody wants to contribute, he's more than welcome to answer this > thread, or show up on IRC. > Regards, > Tarnyko > ___ > gtk-list mailing list > gtk-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list > ___ gtk-list mailing list gtk-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list
Re: GTK+3/Win32 : looking for help
On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 13:08:24 +0200, Tarnyko wrote: > Hi folks, > > It may have been obvious to anybody following the releases, but I > severely lack the free time (hence the ability) to work on GTK+3 for > Win32, for some months now. So I am basically asking for help. > > I summarized the who-what-when in this blog post : > > http://www.tarnyko.net/en/?q=node/48 > > So if anybody wants to contribute, he's more than welcome to answer this > thread, or show up on IRC. > > Regards, > Tarnyko I'm interested in being interested. Are you looking to move on entirely, or are you just looking for additional team members? Of the questions that come to my mind that would be appropriate for the mailing list, the first and most high level is existential in nature. I'm unfamiliar with the back story on why Tor Lillqvist moved on. I myself switched jobs last year, and no longer even have to acknowledge windows even exists. The notion of windows development on windows itself has long died in my eyes. Still, I have interest in maintaining the ability of a number of small projects to cross compile to windows targets. (Either from linux or cygwin hosts). Sincerely I mean not to troll, but I do find myself questioning the validity of cross platform development in the current era. With the seemingly overwhelming forces of fragmented proprietary platforms with lock-in™ based technology winning more and more over to "the dark side", people who are actually interested in open/community based/lower level technology generally just use a linux or a bsd. Like me, the ones out of that group that still have to put up with windows (and even osx), get older and either move on to new positions or gain the seniority to phase out the silliness. So while the intellectual challenge of getting any sort of work done with windows will always be a thrilling pursuit for those of us with a certain type of post traumatic stress disorder, are there enough end users for this? [editors note: I just deleted two paragraphs of even-less-constructive ranting, that can be summarized as an even further off topic grumbling about me not liking OSX and that "other" toolkit.] The pleasure and professorial paths that desktop computing with open source software offer will continue to grow, though as a percentage of all things software development, it will continue to decline. Given that model, it just seems like an indicator of more consolidation for the core user base. There is of course an even more pessimistic school of thought that comes to the conclusion that the self inflicted damage from the last generation of desktop environments will revive 90's era 'doz on the desk and 'nix in the closet/cloud to a point where things like gtk on windows are more important than ever, but I'm not that camp yet. (Too many cool things like i3wm, for that.) C. Thomas Stover ___ gtk-list mailing list gtk-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-list
