Re: GTK4 and gtkmm4 on Arch - Question

2021-04-14 Thread Emmanuel Gil Peyrot 
Hi,

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 06:49:49PM +0200, Kjell Ahlstedt via gtkmm-list wrote:
[…]
> If Arch Linux does not contain a gtkmm4 package, it's more difficult for you
> to test it. You will have to build some packages yourself, either from
> tarballs or from the git repositories. Building from tarballs is easier than
> building from the git repos.

It may be even simpler to use the AUR[1], especially with a AUR
helper[2] that will guide you through the dependencies.

gtkmm4 is available in there[3], so with your helper of choice you may
run a command as simple as:
% yay -S gtkmm4

Then it will ask you to review the recipes and will invoke makepkg and
pacman for you, so that you get proper packages in the end.

[…]
> Should you wait until an gtkmm4 package is available in Arch Linux? I don't
> know. You can probably ask on some Arch Linux mailing list when that may
> happen. I once asked when it can be expected on Ubuntu Linux. The answer I
> got was that, with very few exceptions, a subroutine library is included in
> Ubuntu only if it is used by an application that's included in Ubuntu. I
> don't know if Arch Linux has the same policy.
[…]

The policy is mostly when a maintainer wants to maintain a given
package, for instance gtk4 was already present before any program
depended on it.  You can express your interest for a given package by
voting for it in the AUR, that requires an account there.

And it will definitely have more weight once you do publish a software
based on gtkmm4. :)

I hope this was helpful to you, Gabriela, if not you should get in touch
with ArchLinux communities.

[1] https://aur.archlinux.org/
[2] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AUR_helpers
[3] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gtkmm4

-- 
Emmanuel Gil Peyrot


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Re: GTK4 and gtkmm4 on Arch - Question

2021-04-14 Thread Kjell Ahlstedt via gtkmm-list 
You should have sent your questions to the gtkmm-list. That's usually 
better than sending to a specific person. More people get a chance to 
see the questions and reply to them.


If Arch Linux does not contain a gtkmm4 package, it's more difficult for 
you to test it. You will have to build some packages yourself, either 
from tarballs or from the git repositories. Building from tarballs is 
easier than building from the git repos. 
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtkmm-list/2020-December/msg00013.html 
shows what you need. All tarballs except the one for cairomm are stored 
at https://download.gnome.org/sources/. Cairomm tarballs are stored at 
https://www.cairographics.org/releases/. When you find tarballs with 
higher version numbers than the ones listed in msg00013.html, choose the 
higher numbered ones.


README files show how to build the tarballs. Build with Meson. That's 
easier than building with Autotools.


Should you wait until an gtkmm4 package is available in Arch Linux? I 
don't know. You can probably ask on some Arch Linux mailing list when 
that may happen. I once asked when it can be expected on Ubuntu Linux. 
The answer I got was that, with very few exceptions, a subroutine 
library is included in Ubuntu only if it is used by an application 
that's included in Ubuntu. I don't know if Arch Linux has the same policy.


Kjell

On 2021-04-14 13:16, Wieczorek Gabriela wrote:

Hello,my name is Gabrielle, sorry for my poor English.

I'm not sure where or who should i ask few things about using gtkmm4 
with gtk4.


So,i'm working on Linux Arch system,with xfce4 DE,i'm not expert or 
advanced programmer,


just averege user who like to read and try to writing code from time 
to time.


I was reading on gnome developers page that if i want to try creating 
new app in C/CPP


i should go and use GTK4 already, so installed gtk4 packages on my 
arch, but gtkmm4 is no available,


so i can't try examples from programming with gtkmm4 book.

I'm familiar with programming for web - html,css,sass,gulp,js, 
wordpress theming,


also tried to creating my own GTK3 theme for linux some time ago.

Now i just wanted to try some simple C++ by creating simple GTK4 app, 
but i'm not sure if i should downgrade to gtk3  now and stay with gtkmm3?


Or wait bit longer for gtkmm4?

I don't know what to do,sorry for botherin you,

best regards,

Gabrielle.

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