Re: Support service
Hi, On 16/2/22 13:00, Kjell Ahlstedt wrote: I suspect that it's not trivial. You can try to ask the GTK developers onhttps://discourse.gnome.org/c/platform/core. Gtkmm is just a C++ wrapper around most of GTK. I should ask you to improve the support. This is free and open software. You don't pay. No one is responsible for any support. Users of gtkmm can help each other. One user can answer another user's questions. I've built my way most of the examples of the gtkmm programming tutorial, and all of them worked for me. But the drug and drop example isn't in the list so far. On the other hand, I admit that I didn't give a try to gtk4 because the existing .deb packages are still in the unstable repository of debian (sid). Hence, I'll need to upgrade my system or build my own images of the unstable/testing branch. Once I have done this, I'll try to get the DnD example working. I hope that it'll be within a few days. Cheers, Aitor. ___ gtkmm-list mailing list [email protected] https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtkmm-list
Re: Support service
Den 2022-02-14 kl. 20:50, skrev David Gasa i Castell via gtkmm-list: I'd like to know, if possible, why some of my questions (and other users' as well), if so, are not properly answered and how to solve it. Not enough people are working with gtkmm and the other *mm modules (glibmm, etc.). When I started contributing to these modules more than 10 years ago, there were several other regular contributors. See also https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtkmm-list/2021-February/msg3.html. I did not give you a useful answer when you asked about drag&drop in a Gtk::ListView, simply because I don't know how to do it. There are several examples with GtkListView among gtk's demo programs, but none of them does DnD. I suspect that it's not trivial. You can try to ask the GTK developers on https://discourse.gnome.org/c/platform/core. Gtkmm is just a C++ wrapper around most of GTK. I should ask you to improve the support. This is free and open software. You don't pay. No one is responsible for any support. Users of gtkmm can help each other. One user can answer another user's questions. Is it possible to create a payment subscription quotes or on demand service in order to receive assistance ? No ___ gtkmm-list mailing list [email protected] https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtkmm-list
Re: Support service
Discussions are, of course, always welcome but bear in mind that a) The message was sent directly to the project team (I mean, to Mr. M. Cumming, Mr. D. Elstner, Mr. K. Ahlsted, and so on...) with the hope that they will carefully study my suggestion. b) The message was not intended to open a debate about Free Software project lists & support in general; but a suggestion made in the context of Gtkmm community. The project team is probably very busy and cannot help me for free. In this case, I understand and I agree to help them but not necessarily out of the context of the same messages list (or maybe in a parallel Gtkmm HowTo blog), and to remain as cheaper as possible. The idea behind is to learn how to use Gtkmm, not to ask others to develop projects. -- David Gasa i Castell ___ gtkmm-list mailing list [email protected] https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtkmm-list
Re: Support service
On Mon, 2022-02-14 at 20:18 +, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > > Well I think it's a bit of both, in practice. I doubt every > contributor to gtkmm is paid to do so. > A bit OT; but yes I agree in principle. There's a whole philosophy of foss responsibility which basically boils down to: If you're doing work for other people, then you SHOULD be paid. if you're doing work for yourself (training, fun, volunteering for the good of humanity etc) then you've got more reason to do stuff for free, although I think unpaid volunteers can find themselves in a responsibility trap that creates a very real labour rights issue. Although some disagree that labour issues are possible in Free and Open Source, I say there are many forces both social and political that keep people working against their own labour interests. Remember kids; if a company asks you to fix their problems without paying you. Just say no. Martin, ___ gtkmm-list mailing list [email protected] https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtkmm-list
Re: Support service
On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 20:17, Martin Owens wrote: > On Mon, 2022-02-14 at 20:08 +, Jonathan Wakely via gtkmm-list > wrote: > > People work on them for free, > > No, 😉 people work on them for lots of money; they distribute them for > free. > Well I think it's a bit of both, in practice. I doubt every contributor to gtkmm is paid to do so. ___ gtkmm-list mailing list [email protected] https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtkmm-list
Re: Support service
On Mon, 2022-02-14 at 20:08 +, Jonathan Wakely via gtkmm-list wrote: > People work on them for free, No, 😉 people work on them for lots of money; they distribute them for free. Free Software is not free from cost. Although I think you already know this, so I'm just griping about the terminology. 😃 Martin, ___ gtkmm-list mailing list [email protected] https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtkmm-list
Re: Support service
On Mon, 14 Feb 2022, 19:50 David Gasa i Castell via gtkmm-list, < [email protected]> wrote: > Dear project team, > > I write you to say that it doesn't work. > This is a useless statement. Nobody can help something so vague, what does "doesn't work" mean? > I've been using Gtkmm libraries since 2.x (even if some refactorings and > changes were made thereafter) but I still need your help. > > Having a reference helps but it's not enough. > > When I submitted questions directly to the project programmers, they > pointed me to submit in a list... > That's how open source projects usually work. People work on them for free, but they don't want strangers contacting them directly expecting support. The mailing list is the right way to seek help. but a list that nobody has the responsibility to answer in an appropriate > manner... does not help, either. Silence does not help. > > I'd like to know, if possible, why some of my questions (and other users' > as well), if so, are not properly answered and how to solve it. > Make sure you are asking good questions. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > I should ask you to improve the support. > > Is it possible to create a payment subscription quotes or on demand > service in order to receive assistance ? > It took me less than ten seconds to find this page: https://gtkmm.org/en/commercial_support.html ___ gtkmm-list mailing list [email protected] https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtkmm-list
Re: Support service
On Mon, 2022-02-14 at 20:50 +0100, David Gasa i Castell via gtkmm-list wrote: > I'd like to know, if possible, why some of my questions (and other > users' as well), if so, are not properly answered and how to solve > it. In general, open source projects are not responsible for supporting users of their software. All projects have their own particular culture and some projects operate as charities with kind volunteer work that can help some users. Ultimate freedom comes with ultimate self-responsible. 🙂 > Is it possible to create a payment subscription quotes or on demand > service in order to receive assistance ? This is the correct question. Although it is a bit misdirected. Some project's will have people in them that you can hire, or contract. not all projects keep lists of such people. Sometimes you can just go to a bigger company like "Collabra" or "Red Hat" and consult with them directly. Although don't expect it to be cheap. My personal view is that mailing lists like this one are more internal to the project than external services. But I'm not an active member of the internal gtkmm project, just a fellow user of gtkmm. Good luck! Best Regards, Martin Owens From the Inkscape Project ___ gtkmm-list mailing list [email protected] https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtkmm-list
