Re: [guardian-dev] Free Software Ride Hailing Systems?
On 2017-04-10 19:38, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The way I'm thinking about it, the "customer" would be existing taxi companies that already have a pool of drivers and a customer base. They know they need to modernize to compete, so if there was a turn-key whitelabel app or some kind of general service modeled like gitlab-ish, those companies could just adopt it. Then they'd pay for support and development services as needed. Or in the gitlab-ish model, there could be a hosted version for a monthly fee, along side consulting services for running your own. .hc +1 IMO the basic building blocks of a libre and privacy friendly Uber alternative are already available (OSMAnd, Conversations, Orbot and Bitcoin) its just a matter of cobbling them together with a federated server-side infrastructure. As for ride payments it could be cash too. ___ List info: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/guardian-dev To unsubscribe, email: guardian-dev-unsubscr...@lists.mayfirst.org
Re: [guardian-dev] Free Software Ride Hailing Systems?
The way I'm thinking about it, the "customer" would be existing taxi companies that already have a pool of drivers and a customer base. They know they need to modernize to compete, so if there was a turn-key whitelabel app or some kind of general service modeled like gitlab-ish, those companies could just adopt it. Then they'd pay for support and development services as needed. Or in the gitlab-ish model, there could be a hosted version for a monthly fee, along side consulting services for running your own. .hc Chris Kuethe: > It's probably worth gaining familiarity with various dirty tricks the > industry uses, as well as brainstorming active attacks on the > platform/industry. > > In particular I'm thinking of Uber's "greyballing" as well as some of the > things the satellite TV industry has done; I can't imagine either TNC or > taxi companies being particularly fond of yet another entrant, or worse, a > technology suite that allows many new competitors to overcome a number of > technology hurdles (no matter how much they profess that competition is > good for the market). Also, getting a critical mass of drivers and riders > is a similar problem to bootstrapping a dating site. No one is going to > want to use the service if it's not already active in their area, and that > makes it hard to raise funds to advertise to gain users ... > > I like the idea, I don't have a good plan for building an open ride-hailing > platform in what is sure to be a hostile environment. > > On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner < > h...@guardianproject.info> wrote: > >> >> Its always seemed to me that building the software behind things like Uber >> and Lyft would not be so hard. If there was a free software version, then >> all of these taxi companies around the world would be able to compete with >> the monopolistic Uber juggernaut. And there would be lots of opportunity to >> make the software respect privacy. >> >> With Uber banned in Italy and other places, it seems like are some good >> opportunities for this: >> http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/D6tvS06- >> idk/italy-bans-uber >> >> .hc >> ___ >> List info: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/guardian-dev >> To unsubscribe, email: guardian-dev-unsubscr...@lists.mayfirst.org >> >> > > -- PGP fingerprint: EE66 20C7 136B 0D2C 456C 0A4D E9E2 8DEA 00AA 5556 https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex=0xE9E28DEA00AA5556 ___ List info: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/guardian-dev To unsubscribe, email: guardian-dev-unsubscr...@lists.mayfirst.org
Re: [guardian-dev] Free Software Ride Hailing Systems?
I'm pretty sure I saw Trebor Scholz give a talk that mentioned some open source code that taxi coops were using. Maybe on one of the digital labor/platform cooperativism streams.. I'll see if I can find it. -a On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner < h...@guardianproject.info> wrote: > > > Nathan of Guardian: > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 8, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > >> > >> Its always seemed to me that building the software behind things like > >> Uber and Lyft would not be so hard. If there was a free software > >> version, then all of these taxi companies around the world would be able > >> to compete with the monopolistic Uber juggernaut. And there would be > >> lots of opportunity to make the software respect privacy. > >> > >> With Uber banned in Italy and other places, it seems like are some good > >> opportunities for this: > >> http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/D6tvS06- > idk/italy-bans-uber > > > > Have you seen this: LibreTaxi.org ? > > > > https://github.com/ro31337/libretaxi > > I did see that, it looks like a promising start, but not very far along. > Something to follow at least. > > .hc > > -- > PGP fingerprint: EE66 20C7 136B 0D2C 456C 0A4D E9E2 8DEA 00AA 5556 > https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex=0xE9E28DEA00AA5556 > ___ > List info: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/guardian-dev > To unsubscribe, email: guardian-dev-unsubscr...@lists.mayfirst.org > -- Abram Stern (aphid) PhD Student, Film and Digital Media University of California, Santa Cruz ap...@ucsc.edu // https://aphid.org // (831) 224-0334 (mobile/signal) ___ List info: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/guardian-dev To unsubscribe, email: guardian-dev-unsubscr...@lists.mayfirst.org
Re: [guardian-dev] Free Software Ride Hailing Systems?
Nathan of Guardian: > > > On Sat, Apr 8, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: >> >> Its always seemed to me that building the software behind things like >> Uber and Lyft would not be so hard. If there was a free software >> version, then all of these taxi companies around the world would be able >> to compete with the monopolistic Uber juggernaut. And there would be >> lots of opportunity to make the software respect privacy. >> >> With Uber banned in Italy and other places, it seems like are some good >> opportunities for this: >> http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/D6tvS06-idk/italy-bans-uber > > Have you seen this: LibreTaxi.org ? > > https://github.com/ro31337/libretaxi I did see that, it looks like a promising start, but not very far along. Something to follow at least. .hc -- PGP fingerprint: EE66 20C7 136B 0D2C 456C 0A4D E9E2 8DEA 00AA 5556 https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex=0xE9E28DEA00AA5556 ___ List info: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/guardian-dev To unsubscribe, email: guardian-dev-unsubscr...@lists.mayfirst.org
Re: [guardian-dev] Free Software Ride Hailing Systems?
On Sat, Apr 8, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > Its always seemed to me that building the software behind things like > Uber and Lyft would not be so hard. If there was a free software > version, then all of these taxi companies around the world would be able > to compete with the monopolistic Uber juggernaut. And there would be > lots of opportunity to make the software respect privacy. > > With Uber banned in Italy and other places, it seems like are some good > opportunities for this: > http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/D6tvS06-idk/italy-bans-uber Have you seen this: LibreTaxi.org ? https://github.com/ro31337/libretaxi -- Nathan of Guardian nat...@guardianproject.info ___ List info: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/guardian-dev To unsubscribe, email: guardian-dev-unsubscr...@lists.mayfirst.org
Re: [guardian-dev] Free Software Ride Hailing Systems?
It's probably worth gaining familiarity with various dirty tricks the industry uses, as well as brainstorming active attacks on the platform/industry. In particular I'm thinking of Uber's "greyballing" as well as some of the things the satellite TV industry has done; I can't imagine either TNC or taxi companies being particularly fond of yet another entrant, or worse, a technology suite that allows many new competitors to overcome a number of technology hurdles (no matter how much they profess that competition is good for the market). Also, getting a critical mass of drivers and riders is a similar problem to bootstrapping a dating site. No one is going to want to use the service if it's not already active in their area, and that makes it hard to raise funds to advertise to gain users ... I like the idea, I don't have a good plan for building an open ride-hailing platform in what is sure to be a hostile environment. On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner < h...@guardianproject.info> wrote: > > Its always seemed to me that building the software behind things like Uber > and Lyft would not be so hard. If there was a free software version, then > all of these taxi companies around the world would be able to compete with > the monopolistic Uber juggernaut. And there would be lots of opportunity to > make the software respect privacy. > > With Uber banned in Italy and other places, it seems like are some good > opportunities for this: > http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/D6tvS06- > idk/italy-bans-uber > > .hc > ___ > List info: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/guardian-dev > To unsubscribe, email: guardian-dev-unsubscr...@lists.mayfirst.org > > -- GDB has a 'break' feature; why doesn't it have 'fix' too? ___ List info: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/guardian-dev To unsubscribe, email: guardian-dev-unsubscr...@lists.mayfirst.org
