Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-16 Thread Mark H Weaver
Hi Andy, Andy Wingo writes: > Before the RMS/GNU/FSF conversation started, Mark Weaver left Guile, for > essentially unrelated reasons. He threatened to leave because he wished > to be consulted before I landed mixed definitions and expressions and > shipped them in the 2.9.4 release; The

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-16 Thread Adrienne G. Thompson
On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 4:56 PM Tadeus Prastowo wrote: > Dear Andy, > > Could you kindly move > https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/ to > your own site, please? They published their "Joint Statement" on gnu.org because they know they have support from a faction of

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-16 Thread Linus Björnstam
Hi Andy! Your work (and amazing blog) and the wonderful work by the GUIX team is what brought me to guile. I don't have any I'll feelings towards Mark (I have appreciated his support on the mailing list many times), but I will follow Guile wherever you and Ludo take it, inside or outside the

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-16 Thread Tadeus Prastowo
Dear Andy, Could you kindly move https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/ to your own site, please? As Jean said, you (and/or Ludovic) should not have published the petition under gnu.org in the first place, to quote Jean [1]: To publish his political opinions where

Fwd: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-16 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
-- Forwarded message - From: Stefan Israelsson Tampe Date: Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 11:09 PM Subject: Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile To: Jean Louis Hi List, I appreciate the work of all maintainers. I really hope that we can get a solution to this situation.

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-16 Thread Jean Louis
This is response to: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-devel/2019-10/msg5.html Dear Andy, No, I do not think that conflicst affect GNU Guile. I think you are the one affecting GNU Guile and GNU community and Guix community. That you are now using Guile mailing list to promote

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-16 Thread pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
This is very sad. I appreciate the enormous time investments of all of you for Guile. When you make a decision, I hope you understand the other. Regards, Florian

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-16 Thread Mikael Djurfeldt
Hi Andy, Ludovic and everyone else, As a previous co-maintainer of Guile, it saddens me that you/we have run into these kind of difficulties. It's especially sad since, as also David wrote, Guile has always been a project with a friendly atmosphere. What I wish for is that everyone involved in

Re: Stepping back up as a co-maintainer

2019-10-16 Thread Jean Louis
* Mark H Weaver [2019-10-16 01:42]: > Hello all, > > In light of recent events, I've decided to step back up as a > co-maintainer of GNU Guile. I am welcoming it, thank you for stepping back up. Jean

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-16 Thread Jean Louis
* Christopher Lemmer Webber [2019-10-16 11:33]: > I agree with everything Andy and David have written, so I'm not sure how > much to rehash here. > > I'm extremely saddened to see RMS pull this move. It seriously > undermines faith for maintainers of GNU projects that ther is any > semblance of

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-16 Thread Jean Louis
* Thompson, David [2019-10-16 10:12]: > Now, onto the present. Seeing Mark step down from as a Guile > co-maintainer was an indicator that something was amiss internally > with Guile. I have a great respect for Mark, but I must admit that > I've been extremely disappointed to see him, on

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-16 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Christopher Lemmer Webber > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:33:11 -0400 > Cc: Andy Wingo > > I'm extremely saddened to see RMS pull this move. It seriously > undermines faith for maintainers of GNU projects that ther is any > semblance of fair governance, and that the rug can't be pulled out

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-16 Thread Christopher Lemmer Webber
I agree with everything Andy and David have written, so I'm not sure how much to rehash here. I'm extremely saddened to see RMS pull this move. It seriously undermines faith for maintainers of GNU projects that ther is any semblance of fair governance, and that the rug can't be pulled out from

Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-16 Thread Thompson, David
On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 9:14 AM Andy Wingo wrote: > > Perhaps this moment is an opportunity, to see where the Guile community > stands. In that spirit I invite Guile community members to weigh in on > the issue. What do you think about Guile's continued relationship with > GNU? What about its

conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile

2019-10-16 Thread Andy Wingo
Hello all, In the last few weeks, a conversation among GNU maintainers that has been simmering for years burst into public. For a while it resubmerged into private GNU lists, but now it has resurfaced to affect the Guile project. Just for background information, I wrote about my thoughts here: