On 20.10.2019 05:08, Mark H Weaver wrote:
> Taylan Kammer writes:
>> I'm mostly fond of the Contributor Covenant that was adopted by Guix
>
> I suggest that we postpone discussion of this proposal for now. It
> might create more divisions between us, at a time when we should be
> focused on
On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 11:10 AM Mark H Weaver wrote:
> It might create more divisions between us, at a time when we should be
> focused on healing our wounds and coming together as a community. I'd
> be glad to discuss it later.
>
>
+1
I agree that let's keep friendly just like before, after
Taylan Kammer writes:
> Really, I cannot stress it enough how refreshing it is to see the levels
> of rationality and kindness in the discussions here, when compared to
> most other places on the Internet.
I tend to agree that this is generally a very friendly community.
Obviously this thread
Alex Sassmannshausen writes:
> Hi Mikhail,
>
> Mikhail Kryshen writes:
>
>> Andy,
>>
>> If you've long had issues with RMS, then why do you still want to be
>> with GNU? You don't have to participate in GNU to be part of the free
>> software movement. Is it that you see GNU as an important
On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 11:29:35AM +, Todor Kondić wrote:
> You know, there is a big IT department within our institution and telling
> them I will base some serious work on technologies such as GNU Guile and
> Guix did raise a few eyebrows (those not raised are probably the cause of
>
Hi Mark,
Mark H Weaver skribis:
> RMS has not yet appointed me as a co-maintainer. To my knowledge, the
> only thing he has done so far is to *ask* me if I wanted to be appointed
> co-maintainer. I answered "yes", but I've not yet received any further
> messages from him on this topic. I
On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 9:33 AM Christopher Lemmer Webber
wrote:
>
> Mark H Weaver writes:
>
> > [resending with fixed headers, for proper threading]
> >
> > Hi Christopher,
> >
> > Christopher Lemmer Webber wrote:
> >> I think *RMS's* action of unilaterally re-appointing Mark without
> >>
Mark H Weaver writes:
> [resending with fixed headers, for proper threading]
>
> Hi Christopher,
>
> Christopher Lemmer Webber wrote:
>> I think *RMS's* action of unilaterally re-appointing Mark without
>> notifying or asking the other maintainers
>
> Did you not see my recent correction about
Hi Christopher,
Christopher Lemmer Webber wrote:
> I think *RMS's* action of unilaterally re-appointing Mark without
> notifying or asking the other maintainers
Did you not see my recent correction about this? I CC'd you,
but maybe something went wrong. Please see:
Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes:
> Mark H Weaver writes:
>
>> Andy Wingo writes:
>>> Before the RMS/GNU/FSF conversation started, Mark Weaver left Guile, for
>>> essentially unrelated reasons. He threatened to leave because he wished
>>> to be consulted before I landed mixed definitions and
Hello,
pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) writes:
> This is very sad. I appreciate the enormous time investments of all
> of you for Guile. When you make a decision, I hope you understand the
> other.
>
> Regards,
> Florian
Many incredibly thoughtful emails have been sent to the mailing list on
this
Hi Mikhail,
Mikhail Kryshen writes:
> Andy,
>
> If you've long had issues with RMS, then why do you still want to be
> with GNU? You don't have to participate in GNU to be part of the free
> software movement. Is it that you see GNU as an important platform for
> your political activism? Is
Hi Jan,
Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes:
> Mark H Weaver writes:
>
>> Andy Wingo writes:
>>> Before the RMS/GNU/FSF conversation started, Mark Weaver left Guile, for
>>> essentially unrelated reasons. He threatened to leave because he wished
>>> to be consulted before I landed mixed definitions and
hi Andy, I think Mark has explained something, I hope you can rethink about
it calmly. It seems a misunderstanding.
A decade ago I came to Guile community, and I've learned many things from
the people here. Andy, Mark, and Ludo are the people I really respect.
However, someday if they start to
Andy,
If you've long had issues with RMS, then why do you still want to be
with GNU? You don't have to participate in GNU to be part of the free
software movement. Is it that you see GNU as an important platform for
your political activism? Is it about donations? Identity? Pride?
What is it
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> They published their "Joint Statement" on gnu.org because they know they
>
Mark H Weaver writes:
> Andy Wingo writes:
>> Before the RMS/GNU/FSF conversation started, Mark Weaver left Guile, for
>> essentially unrelated reasons. He threatened to leave because he wished
>> to be consulted before I landed mixed definitions and expressions and
>> shipped them in the 2.9.4
Hi Andy,
Andy Wingo writes:
> Before the RMS/GNU/FSF conversation started, Mark Weaver left Guile, for
> essentially unrelated reasons. He threatened to leave because he wished
> to be consulted before I landed mixed definitions and expressions and
> shipped them in the 2.9.4 release;
The
On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 4:56 PM Tadeus Prastowo wrote:
> Dear Andy,
>
> Could you kindly move
> https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/ to
> your own site, please?
They published their "Joint Statement" on gnu.org because they know they
have support from a faction of
Hi Andy!
Your work (and amazing blog) and the wonderful work by the GUIX team is what
brought me to guile. I don't have any I'll feelings towards Mark (I have
appreciated his support on the mailing list many times), but I will follow
Guile wherever you and Ludo take it, inside or outside the
Dear Andy,
Could you kindly move
https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/ to your own
site, please?
As Jean said, you (and/or Ludovic) should not have published the petition under
gnu.org in the first place, to quote Jean [1]:
To publish his political opinions where
This is response to:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-devel/2019-10/msg5.html
Dear Andy,
No, I do not think that conflicst affect GNU Guile. I think you are
the one affecting GNU Guile and GNU community and Guix community.
That you are now using Guile mailing list to promote
This is very sad. I appreciate the enormous time investments of all
of you for Guile. When you make a decision, I hope you understand the
other.
Regards,
Florian
Hi Andy, Ludovic and everyone else,
As a previous co-maintainer of Guile, it saddens me that you/we have run
into these kind of difficulties. It's especially sad since, as also David
wrote, Guile has always been a project with a friendly atmosphere. What I
wish for is that everyone involved in
* Christopher Lemmer Webber [2019-10-16 11:33]:
> I agree with everything Andy and David have written, so I'm not sure how
> much to rehash here.
>
> I'm extremely saddened to see RMS pull this move. It seriously
> undermines faith for maintainers of GNU projects that ther is any
> semblance of
* Thompson, David [2019-10-16 10:12]:
> Now, onto the present. Seeing Mark step down from as a Guile
> co-maintainer was an indicator that something was amiss internally
> with Guile. I have a great respect for Mark, but I must admit that
> I've been extremely disappointed to see him, on
> From: Christopher Lemmer Webber
> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:33:11 -0400
> Cc: Andy Wingo
>
> I'm extremely saddened to see RMS pull this move. It seriously
> undermines faith for maintainers of GNU projects that ther is any
> semblance of fair governance, and that the rug can't be pulled out
I agree with everything Andy and David have written, so I'm not sure how
much to rehash here.
I'm extremely saddened to see RMS pull this move. It seriously
undermines faith for maintainers of GNU projects that ther is any
semblance of fair governance, and that the rug can't be pulled out from
On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 9:14 AM Andy Wingo wrote:
>
> Perhaps this moment is an opportunity, to see where the Guile community
> stands. In that spirit I invite Guile community members to weigh in on
> the issue. What do you think about Guile's continued relationship with
> GNU? What about its
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