Ludovic Courtès writes:
> Hi Mikhail,
>
> Mikhail Kryshen skribis:
>
>> I'm deeply disappointed to see this. I always thought that the free
>> software community have strong and independent culture, and it's very
>> sad to see GNU maintainers, for whose work I have great respect, fall
>> for
Thank you Zimon.
This has been very helpful.
From: zimoun
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 9:24 AM
To: Christopher Baines
Cc: Asfaw, Nardos; Guix Devel
Subject: Re: [External] Re: New outreachy participant introduction
Hi Nardos,
Welcome ! :-)
On Tue,
On Sun, 2019-10-13 at 00:32 +0200, František Kučera wrote:
> Dne 13. 10. 19 v 0:16 Jesse Gibbons napsal(a):
> > When all 50+ new messages in this list from the past hour are off-topic,
> > it
> > is too much.
>
> 1) That statement is still present on the official Guix blog and thus
> this
Dne 13. 10. 19 v 0:16 Jesse Gibbons napsal(a):
> When all 50+ new messages in this list from the past hour are off-topic, it
> is too much.
1) That statement is still present on the official Guix blog and thus
this discussion is relevant.
2) I honestly can not imagine how any mailing list could
Hello!
Manolis Ragkousis skribis:
> We are excited to announce a devroom on minimalistic, experimental
> and/or emerging languages (with big ideas) at FOSDEM on Sunday
> February 2nd 2020!
Woohoo!
Thank you Manolis, Pjotr, and everyone who makes it possible once again!
Ludo’.
On Sun, 2019-10-13 at 00:04 +0300, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote:
> ng0 wrote:
> > this list is to discuss the _development_ of GNU Guix, Shepherd, and
> > Guix System.
> >
> > It is not a general discussion list for everything else.
> >
> > While we usually get by fine without imposing moderation
Hello Kei,
Kei Kebreau skribis:
> I have the GNOME 3.32 branch! I'm building it on top of the new
> core-updates as you read this message. If everything still builds, I'll
> immediately send my changes to the guix-patches mailing list for review
> and testing.
Shouldn’t you instead base it on
On 10/12/19 9:43 PM, Taylan Kammer wrote:
> On 12.10.2019 01:04, Jelle Licht wrote:
>> Taylan Kammer writes:
>>
>>> [snip]
(skipped)
>
> Going by this logic, we could ban support of communism based on things
> done by the Soviet or things currently done by the People's Republic of
> China or
Throughout this discussion I see some implicit assumption that „feminism
= women will like it“. But actually: not all women are feminists.
Franta
P writes:
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Saturday, October 12, 2019 7:09 PM, wrote:
>
>> Can everyone move this discussion elsewhere? Seeing that this is not
>> related to the GNU system or Guix.
>
> I resisted replying for a few days, hoping that the moderators would
> lock people
Wilson and P,
this is not a discussion for guix-devel. Please don’t continue it on
this list.
Please also note that the aggression demonstrated in your exchange is
not what we want to see in our community. If you take this elsewhere
please remember to allow for some time to cool off before
František Kučera wrote:
> P.S. technical note to all: please do not add my address as an explicit
> recipient – it is superfluous – just respond to the mailing list and I will
> get your e-mail.
I beg my pardon. Even if we put aside, that this is bad practice that harms
readability and
a...@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) wrote:
Taylan Kammer wrote:
>> The GNU project should publish a list of ideologies that are officially
>> banned from its channels so people know what they're in for. All other
>> topics should be treated neutrally so long as nobody is using slurs or a
>>
ng0 wrote:
> this list is to discuss the _development_ of GNU Guix, Shepherd, and Guix
> System.
>
> It is not a general discussion list for everything else.
>
> While we usually get by fine without imposing moderation restrictions, I
> don't see how any of the recent message floods have been
Dne 12. 10. 19 v 21:28 Wilson Bustos napsal(a):
> How the normal language make women be a second-class citizens?
>
> That is ridiculous!
+1
BTW: In Czech language we have a word „osoba“ which means a „person“.
And „osoba“ is grammatically feminine (she) but denotes both men and
women. And – it
Dne 12. 10. 19 v 21:24 P napsal(a):
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Saturday, October 12, 2019 7:04 PM, Wilson Bustos
> wrote:
>
>> >> Language changes. Get over it.
>>
>> Actually the spanish language has not changed in that sent.
>> No one talks in 'political correctness spanish' or in
On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 08:54:14PM +0200, Jean Louis wrote:
> Richard is guilty of what? Flirting? Pleasure Cards? Hahhahahahahahha.
>
> Jean
>
IMHO this is an important reason.
On Medium in her blog post, Selam G. referenced a report by MIT women
from 1983. In Chapter 3 it says (please
How the normal language make women be a second-class citizens?
That is ridiculous!
Regards
El sáb., 12 oct. 2019 a las 16:24, P () escribió:
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Saturday, October 12, 2019 7:04 PM, Wilson Bustos
> wrote:
>
> >> Language changes. Get over it.
>
> Actually
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Saturday, October 12, 2019 7:09 PM, wrote:
> Can everyone move this discussion elsewhere? Seeing that this is not
> related to the GNU system or Guix.
I resisted replying for a few days, hoping that the moderators would lock
people like Louis out and the
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Saturday, October 12, 2019 7:04 PM, Wilson Bustos wrote:
>>> Language changes. Get over it.
>
> Actually the spanish language has not changed in that sent.
> No one talks in 'political correctness spanish' or in 'feminist spanish'.
> So you are not writing
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Saturday, October 12, 2019 6:54 PM, Jean Louis wrote:
> No fact there, just rumor.
Very well, then your claim that you do not discriminate in your hiring
practices is also not a fact, merely a rumor.
You do not seem to judge feminists by the same scale as
Can everyone move this discussion elsewhere? Seeing that this is not
related to the GNU system or Guix.
>> Language changes. Get over it.
Actually the spanish language has not changed in that sent.
No one talks in 'political correctness spanish' or in 'feminist spanish'.
So you are not writing spanish itself, just a modified version pushed by
political agenda.
All the best =)
El sáb., 12 oct.
* P [2019-10-12 20:38]:
You have been quoting from Andy Wingo blog:
> The great tragedy of RMS's tenure in the supposedly universalist FSF
> and GNU projects is that he behaves in a way that is particularly
> alienating to women.
GNU project is apolitical. RMS never established any
On 12.10.2019 01:04, Jelle Licht wrote:
> Taylan Kammer writes:
>
>> [snip]
>>
>> All other political conflicts should IMO be decided on a case by case
>> basis with the goal of reaching mutual compromise within the confines of
>> the communication channels of the GNU project. That is, 1. no
* Wilson Bustos [2019-10-12 20:25]:
> Change a language's rules to fit your politics because you feel the normal
> language is offensive,is actually extreme.
>
> All the best
Alright, that is your opinion.
Related to GNU project and welcoming of everybody, and always
appreciating and
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On Saturday, October 12, 2019 6:27 PM, Jean Louis wrote:
> - P pron...@protonmail.com [2019-10-12 20:03]:
>
> > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > On Saturday, October 12, 2019 5:53 PM, Jean Louis bugs@gnu.support wrote:
> >
> > > When you have reviewed the
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Saturday, October 12, 2019 6:24 PM, Wilson Bustos wrote:
> Change a language's rules to fit your politics because you feel the normal
> language is offensive,is actually extreme.
> All the best,
Language changes. Get over it.
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Saturday, October 12, 2019 6:22 PM, Jean Louis wrote:
> - P pron...@protonmail.com [2019-10-12 20:00]:
>
> > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > On Saturday, October 12, 2019 5:46 PM, Wilson Bustos wrbut...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Don't you think
* P [2019-10-12 20:03]:
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Saturday, October 12, 2019 5:53 PM, Jean Louis wrote:
>
> > When you have reviewed the facts and not just blindly respond back
> > with your emotional reaction, let me know, as I like exchanging on
> > true facts, not emotional or
Change a language's rules to fit your politics because you feel the normal
language is offensive,is actually extreme.
All the best,
El sáb., 12 oct. 2019 a las 15:00, P () escribió:
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Saturday, October 12, 2019 5:46 PM, Wilson Bustos
> wrote:
>
> > Don't
* P [2019-10-12 20:00]:
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Saturday, October 12, 2019 5:46 PM, Wilson Bustos
> wrote:
>
> > Don't you think that is extreme?
>
> I do not. What's extreme is that you feel like such a tiny thing is extreme.
> Quit your whining or find a new hobby.
I do
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Saturday, October 12, 2019 5:53 PM, Jean Louis bugs@gnu.support wrote:
>
> > When you have reviewed the facts and not just blindly respond back
> > with your emotional reaction, let me know, as I like exchanging on
> > true facts, not emotional or political
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Saturday, October 12, 2019 5:53 PM, Jean Louis wrote:
> When you have reviewed the facts and not just blindly respond back
> with your emotional reaction, let me know, as I like exchanging on
> true facts, not emotional or political responses.
>
> Jean
Have
Hi,
this list is to discuss the _development_ of GNU Guix, Shepherd, and Guix
System.
It is not a general discussion list for everything else.
While we usually get by fine without imposing moderation restrictions,
I don't see how any of the recent message floods have been ontopic to
this list
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Saturday, October 12, 2019 5:46 PM, Wilson Bustos wrote:
> Don't you think that is extreme?
I do not. What's extreme is that you feel like such a tiny thing is extreme.
Quit your whining or find a new hobby.
* Wilson Bustos [2019-10-12 19:47]:
> P,
> The problem is when that politics gets extreme.
> For example at the point to change the rules of a human language just for
> politics reason.
>
> The guixSD Spanish manual for example says : 'la usuaria' to refer to every
> user
I understand that
* P [2019-10-12 19:38]:
> If women should be welcome in tech is a step too far for you, then
> you are too whiny to be useful in tech.
Every women is welcome in free software and any activity in life if
you ask me.
I never stated different and never will.
In fact I do not observe the sex of
P,
The problem is when that politics gets extreme.
For example at the point to change the rules of a human language just for
politics reason.
The guixSD Spanish manual for example says : 'la usuaria' to refer to every
user
But in Spanish 'la usuaria' only refers to a female user, and 'el
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Saturday, October 12, 2019 5:36 PM, wrote:
> But we cannot take off somebody's rights on his own organization like GNU and
> so on.
> znavko.
It's not "his own organization". He can remain a contributor but he shouldn't
remain any kind of chief.
Hello, Ludovic! I've choose GNU for its ideas of freedom. Freedom make this
project so powerful and great.
Guix is now most perspective project, and Ludivic Courtes and other developers
had made great deal on it.
I think you all will have your richness and glory but not that way.
You may
On Saturday, October 12, 2019 5:22 PM, Jean Louis wrote:
> - František Kučera konfere...@frantovo.cz [2019-10-12 19:13]:
>
> > Dne 12. 10. 19 v 15:38 pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) napsal(a):
> >
> > > On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 03:06:31PM +0200, Jean Louis wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ludovic Courtès and
* Alfred M. Szmidt [2019-10-12 19:13]:
>Hasn't RMS already officially stepped down?
>
> He resigned from the FSF board, he is still Chief GNUisance.
That means nothing in terms of legality and policy making. Stepping
down as President of FSF means really only that FSF has different way
of
* František Kučera [2019-10-12 19:13]:
> Dne 12. 10. 19 v 15:38 pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) napsal(a):
> > On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 03:06:31PM +0200, Jean Louis wrote:
> >> Ludovic Courtès and Andy Wingo and other people who are introducing
> >> their pro-feminist political views into the
Hasn't RMS already officially stepped down?
He resigned from the FSF board, he is still Chief GNUisance.
What position does he hold within today's GNU project other than
being a wise old person (wise with respect to his topics of
expertise) who is respected a lot?
While the GNU
* Eric Myhre [2019-10-12 18:10]:
> Can you just... Stop?
I am hurring to stop as soon as Guix people take politics out of GNU
project from guix.gnu.org domain.
Jean
Can you just... Stop?
In very simple terms. Stop.
Your opinion, by sheer volume, is now over-represented.
If there was a rate-limit for posts on any given topic, you've exceeded it by
leagues, miles, kilometers, pick a unit, you've gone too far; it's tiring.
Stop.
We acknowledge your
* Wilson Bustos [2019-10-12 17:45]:
> Why should GuixSD feminist?
> Free software movement is no about popularity, is about freedom.
Because Ludovic Courtès said to me so, when I asked him, that reason
for defamation of RMS is their abort() joke and Emacs Virgin jokes,
including the "MIT
Hello Guix,
Since the shitshow seems unstoppable at this point, allow me to add my
little crap to it. I have contributed (very) few patches to Guix and
GNU, but mean to contribute more to Guix whatever the outcome of the
drama.
First I want to thoroughly thanks Ludovic Courtès, Ricardo Wurmus
Why should GuixSD feminist?
Free software movement is no about popularity, is about freedom.
If woman's come to the project should be for what we are, not because we
will became a feminist movement.
Of course is some way the project is politics, but free software politics
not gender identity
* Christophe Poncy [2019-10-11 23:10]:
> On 2019-10-11 20:41, Taylan Kammer wrote:
> > […] What position does he
> > hold within today's GNU project other than being a wise old person
> > (wise with respect to his topics of expertise) who is respected a lot?
> >
>
> As a simple user, I see him
* Wilson Bustos [2019-10-10 22:52]:
> P,
> > And even before this incident, I've seen people say they don't want to
> get into free software because of Stallman's behaviour and because people
> defend him from any criticism.
> So, why didn't you do anything before? why now? If it was a real issue
Dne 12. 10. 19 v 15:38 pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) napsal(a):
> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 03:06:31PM +0200, Jean Louis wrote:
>> Ludovic Courtès and Andy Wingo and other people who are introducing
>> their pro-feminist political views into the apolitical GNU project
>> are mixing the independent GNU
* pelzflorian [2019-10-12 15:38]:
> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 03:06:31PM +0200, Jean Louis wrote:
> > Ludovic Courtès and Andy Wingo and other people who are introducing
> > their pro-feminist political views into the apolitical GNU project
> > are mixing the independent GNU project with their
On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 03:06:31PM +0200, Jean Louis wrote:
> Ludovic Courtès and Andy Wingo and other people who are introducing
> their pro-feminist political views into the apolitical GNU project
> are mixing the independent GNU project with their feminist stances.
>
Thank you for making
Dear Taylan,
See my comments below.
* Taylan Kammer [2019-10-11 20:42]:
> On 07.10.2019 16:32, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> > Hello Guix!
> >
> > We, a group of GNU maintainers sharing a vision for a stronger GNU
> > Project, are publishing this statement today:
> >
> >
Dear Jean-Louis,
Could you please stop sending messages to the channel?
Thanks,
PHF
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On 12 oct. 2019 à 14:19, Jean Louis a écrit :
> * Quiliro Ordóñez [2019-10-11 01:27]:
>> * Ricardo Wurmus [2019-10-10 07:09]:
>> > I have
Dear P,
See my comments below.
* P [2019-10-10 22:33]:
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Thursday, October 10, 2019 7:22 PM, Jean Louis wrote:
>
> > > Your problem is that you published this statement to guix-devel. If you
> > > don't mind, I'll forward your mail to gnu-system-discuss,
> > + (license (license:non-copyleft "file://COPYING"
> > + "See COPYING in the
> > distribution.")
Also, that URL is invalid.
It seems that I'm one of the few people that regularly uses X11 forwarding
to run different programs from different hosts
* Quiliro Ordóñez [2019-10-11 01:27]:
> * Ricardo Wurmus [2019-10-10 07:09]:
> > I have previously asked you privately to stop spamming our mailing
> > lists. I am asking you a second time publicly. If you keep disrupting
> > our mailing lists your posts will be moderated.
>
> Censorship is
* Vasya Boytsov [2019-10-10 23:03]:
> I kindly ask to remove this statement from the Guix site. It's
> inappropriate, it's poisonous for the community (you can see this
> clearly now). Anyone can have their own opinion in this discussion,
> but _PLEASE_ can we divide OS development and politics?
Hello Carl,
Some feedback on the patch, since it did not go through the usual
channels :-)
guix-comm...@gnu.org writes:
> carl pushed a commit to branch master
> in repository guix.
>
> commit e214a22007450187c3db5d9fdef6ee021be6e953
> Author: Carl Dong
> Date: Wed Sep 11 15:43:19 2019 -0400
* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-10-11 13:53]:
> Le jeudi 10 octobre 2019 12:24:35 CEST, vous avez écrit :
> > * Alexandre François Garreau [2019-10-10 11:55]:
> > > > I don't know how to defend anybody in public by silencing talk.
> > >
> > > Answering whenever appropriate, currently only
Dear Ludovic,
Hello, how are you? I was on long travel, could not answer you earlier.
* Ludovic Courtès [2019-10-10 16:29]:
> Hi Jean-Louis,
>
> Jean Louis skribis:
>
> > * Ricardo Wurmus [2019-10-10 07:09]:
> >> I have previously asked you privately to stop spamming our mailing
> >> lists.
* Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> [2019-10-12 11:36]:
> David wrote:
> > On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 21:11:51 +0300 Dmitry
> > Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> You replied privately, offlist. Was it intentional? If yes, why: I see
> >> nothing secret there?
> >
> > Absolutely yes,
Also, in
(define-public icedtea-6
(package
[...]
))
"icedtea-6" is a variable name (in the programming language Guile).
The package name is there:
[...]
(package
(name "icedtea") <-
)
We don't have version numbers in package names--but you can request
a specific version by
$ guix
Hi,
On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 09:42:00 +0200
Tanguy Le Carrour wrote:
> Le 10/10, Danny Milosavljevic a écrit :
> > > 1) Updating a package
> > > So I would have to update python-cachecontrol from 0.11.6 to 0.12.5.
> > > Should I create a python-cachecontrol-0.11.6 and fix all the packages
> > > that
* Kete via Discussions about the development of the GNU system
[2019-10-12 03:28]:
> On 10/11/2019 04:43 PM, Alexander Vdolainen wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 10/11/19 11:16 PM, Kete via Discussions about the development of the
> > GNU system wrote:
> >> On 10/10/2019 05:02 PM, Jean Louis wrote:
> >
* Svante Signell [2019-10-10 22:23]:
> On Thu, 2019-10-10 at 19:22 +, Jean Louis wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Your problem is that you published this statement to guix-devel. If
> > > you don't mind, I'll forward your mail to gnu-system-discuss, which
> > > is the appropriate mailing list.
> >
> >
* Mancini [2019-10-11 17:31]:
> ---> "RMS" : ?? if you are going to use acronyms unknown to
> many in the audience, footnote them ! + "FUD"
You are right, yes, all text shall be clear.
For FUD:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty,_and_doubt
Fear, uncertainty, and doubt
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