Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-11-24 Thread Liliana Marie Prikler
Am Freitag, dem 24.11.2023 um 19:54 +0100 schrieb Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli: > Hi again, > > On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 06:30:26 +0200 > Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > > If in some one to five years we still find no practical way of > > using > > ScummVM with only free software, that might be a reason to

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-11-24 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
Hi again, On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 06:30:26 +0200 Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > If in some one to five years we still find no practical way of using > ScummVM with only free software, that might be a reason to remove it > then. With lot of help from anthk_ #hyperbola I finally found a practical way

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-07-23 Thread Liliana Marie Prikler
Am Mittwoch, dem 21.06.2023 um 10:38 +0200 schrieb Giovanni Biscuolo: > > Note, that this discussion started IIRC a year ago and we have > > practically known about actually existing FSDG violations since > > then. > > My approach here is quite simple and pragmatic: Remove the games > > which

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-06-21 Thread Giovanni Biscuolo
Liliana Marie Prikler writes: [...] > Note, that this discussion started IIRC a year ago and we have > practically known about actually existing FSDG violations since then. > My approach here is quite simple and pragmatic: Remove the games which > obviously violate the FSDG (that is all the

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-06-20 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 06:30:26 +0200 Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > Note, that this discussion started IIRC a year ago and we have > practically known about actually existing FSDG violations since then. > My approach here is quite simple and pragmatic: Remove the games which > obviously violate

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-06-20 Thread Efraim Flashner
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 06:30:26AM +0200, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > Am Sonntag, dem 18.06.2023 um 21:07 +0200 schrieb Denis 'GNUtoo' > Carikli: > > [...] > > > Didn't you say that a hello world for scummvm exists? > > I don't know. There is a template for AGI games but the license is > >

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-06-19 Thread Liliana Marie Prikler
Am Sonntag, dem 18.06.2023 um 21:07 +0200 schrieb Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli: > [...] > > Didn't you say that a hello world for scummvm exists? > I don't know. There is a template for AGI games but the license is > strange too, and it also requires some software to build it, and I've > no idea if it's

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-06-18 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 10:19:06 +0200 Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > I've tracked the checksum to the header in which it was declared, and > it says > /* MD5 of (the beginning of) the described file.  > Optional. Set to NULL to ignore. */ > const char *md5; > (Comment reformatted to fit

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-06-18 Thread Liliana Marie Prikler
Am Freitag, dem 16.06.2023 um 17:41 +0200 schrieb Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli: > On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 19:34:32 +0200 > Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > > I don't think we need to be that harsh on ScummVM itself, it being > > a virtual machine.  > > > > Compare it to Wine: the tools to create Windows

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-06-16 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 19:34:32 +0200 Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > I don't think we need to be that harsh on ScummVM itself, it being a > virtual machine. > > Compare it to Wine: the tools to create Windows binaries with free > software only are limited (albeit existing if we discount the >

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-06-15 Thread Liliana Marie Prikler
Am Donnerstag, dem 15.06.2023 um 18:30 +0200 schrieb Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli: > Also if: > - There are no free programs for ScummVM (a hello world under >   a free license would could count as a free program) (we don't know > if it's the case or not) > - ScummVM needs to be patched to run

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2023-06-15 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
Hi, About the license it's still unclear if it's free or not as some people pointed on the gnu-linux-libre mailing[1] list that it's a bit similar to the open font license, but that is a license for fonts not code though. So I've looked at the other aspects (missing source code, etc). On Sat, 6

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-25 Thread Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
In a strange coincidence (I mean, I assume they don't troll our lists...?), I just got a friendly reply to assure me we've not been forgot. Kind regards, T G-R Sent on the go. Excuse or enjoy my brevity.

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-24 Thread Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
I got an auto-reply with a ticket number from the FSF, but no answer yet. I was aware of and unimpressed by Debian's rationalisations on the matter. Still, this isn't as clear-cut as (say) the Realtek drivers, so IMO we can afford to wait as long as is needed. Kind regards, T G-R Sent on the

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-24 Thread Maxime Devos
On 24-08-2022 22:24, zimoun wrote: My understanding of the Debian argument is: 1. the licence is BSD-like respecting the Debian Free Software Guidelines 2. point #3 of DFSG [2] says «The license must allow modifications and derived works, and must allow them to be distributed under the

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-24 Thread Maxime Devos
On 24-08-2022 22:24, Vagrant Cascadian wrote: Is it Functional Data: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html "For example, some game engines released under the GNU GPL have accompanying game information—a fictional world map, game graphics, and so

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-24 Thread zimoun
Hi Liliana, (I have no opinion about this topic.) Your quote is: >> The data included in the source package represents the preferred form >> for modifications. >> If they were licensed under the G P L it would fail the "preferred >> form of modification" requirement but from the mentioned

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-24 Thread Vagrant Cascadian
On 2022-08-24, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > Am Mittwoch, dem 24.08.2022 um 14:53 +0200 schrieb Nicolas Goaziou: >> Liliana Marie Prikler writes: >> >> > The packages >> > - drascula, >> > - lure, >> > - queen, and >> > - sky >> > all share issues that make me question whether they should be in

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-24 Thread Liliana Marie Prikler
Am Mittwoch, dem 24.08.2022 um 14:53 +0200 schrieb Nicolas Goaziou: > Hello, > > Liliana Marie Prikler writes: > > > The packages > > - drascula, > > - lure, > > - queen, and > > - sky > > all share issues that make me question whether they should be in > > Guix. > > > > 1. Their license

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-24 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Liliana Marie Prikler writes: > The packages > - drascula, > - lure, > - queen, and > - sky > all share issues that make me question whether they should be in Guix. > > 1. Their license explicitly prohibits selling of the games themselves > and may thus be qualified as non-free. > 2. The

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-07 Thread Christine Lemmer-Webber
I thought I remembered that "Beneath a Steel Sky" was released by its authors under GPLv2 to some applause back in the day. I remember that's why I installed and played it... It's mentioned here at least:

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-06 Thread Liliana Marie Prikler
Am Samstag, dem 06.08.2022 um 17:24 +0200 schrieb Maxime Devos: > On 06-08-2022 06:59, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > > > 2. The "sources" consist of binaries that are installed as-is. > > The credits of ScummVM state that the source code is available for > Drascula[0] > > [0]

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-06 Thread Maxime Devos
On 06-08-2022 06:59, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: 2. The "sources" consist of binaries that are installed as-is. The credits of ScummVM state that the source code is available for Drascula[0] [0] https://docs.scummvm.org/en/latest/help/credits.html: Emilio de Paz Aragón from Alcachofa

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-06 Thread Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
I've sent an e-mail to the FSF licencing department asking for their guidance on the matter. I erred on the side of netiquette caution and didn't CC this list. Either the inclusion of [a subset of] Drascula in Trisquel[0] is a similar oversight, or we're missing some legal subtlety. I'm

Re: FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-06 Thread Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
Hi Liliana, Liliana Marie Prikler 写道: The packages - drascula, […] 1. Their license explicitly prohibits selling of the games themselves and may thus be qualified as non-free. Yep, it's pretty explicit, and I agree that it's an unreasonable restriction that makes the software non-free.

FSDG issues of SCUMMVM-based games

2022-08-05 Thread Liliana Marie Prikler
Hi Guix, The packages - drascula, - lure, - queen, and - sky all share issues that make me question whether they should be in Guix. 1. Their license explicitly prohibits selling of the games themselves and may thus be qualified as non-free. 2. The "sources" consist of binaries that are installed