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Ludovic Courtès transcribed 1.6K bytes: […] > Perhaps you take hardware support in GNU/Linux for granted. When I > started using GNU/Linux, things like sound support or graphics mode > support or webcams would often be missing—things were a lot more > difficult in practice. It’s the dedicated

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Note: This message is of course not meant to be rude, and not meant to be "the source of absolute truth", so please take it lightly. Only for this message, and for the sake of easier understanding, the term "promote" will be used in this message as synonym for the following: install, share, sell,

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Hello David, Thanks for providing feedback. You make it sound like GuixSD is unusable on real hardware due to the lack of proprietary firmware, but reality is different. I think this section I wrote a while back pretty accurately reflects the situation:

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Hi Ludo, > I knew I should have stayed on vacation! Hope you had a nice vacation :) > The goals haven’t changed since Day 1 though. I realize that. When I started using/contributing to guix I was not fully aware of what that meant. One important thing that has changed for me is that I no

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Hello David, This is bad news for my first day back from vacations (I knew I should have stayed on vacation! ;-)). I’m sad to see you leave. I understand we have disagreements on the project’s goals, and I respect that. The goals haven’t changed since Day 1 though, and I think it’s a project

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I suggest we drop this thread. It belongs elsewhere. Pj. +1

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David Craven writes: > Yeah exactly, you only force people to buy your crappy hardware and while > you care so much about freedom, freedom of speech and information you do > not give a shit about. You prefer to lie to unknowing users, telling them > how firmware in ROM is so

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Leo Famulari writes: > Please, everyone, can we try to keep this discussion civil? > > The fact that we all find ourself on this mailing list makes me think > that we all care about free software in some way or another. > > It's true that within that broad idea we have

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On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 03:06:19PM +0100, David Craven wrote: > Yeah exactly, you only force people to buy your crappy hardware and while > you care so much about freedom, freedom of speech and information you do > not give a shit about. You prefer to lie to unknowing users, telling them > how

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I suggest we drop this thread. It belongs elsewhere. Pj.

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And the Hurd has been in development since 1990, so started at roughly the same time as the Linux kernel. Misleading information again. Hurd and Linux started out as competitors. On Feb 22, 2017 3:44 PM, "Clément Lassieur" wrote: > Also note how that line was conviniently

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> Also note how that line was conviniently drawn just barely outside of what > the Linux project was doing at the time, I guess most likely so that he > could still find developers to build his Hurd by saying "Linux does not > respect your freedoms" I'm not sure what line you are talking about,

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David Craven writes: > Yeah exactly, you only force people to buy your crappy hardware and while > you care so much about freedom, freedom of speech and information you do > not give a shit about. You prefer to lie to unknowing users, telling them > how firmware in ROM is so

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Yeah exactly, you only force people to buy your crappy hardware and while you care so much about freedom, freedom of speech and information you do not give a shit about. You prefer to lie to unknowing users, telling them how firmware in ROM is so much better while I know you're full of shit and

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On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 02:54:32PM +0100, David Craven wrote: Exactly why I'm leaving. You prefer to spread and force your religion on to people, No we don't. One of the defining principles of free software is that nobody is forced into anything. And we never do it. In fact that

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Exactly why I'm leaving. You prefer to spread and force your religion on to people, and don't really care about anything other than that. On Feb 22, 2017 05:54, "Mike Gerwitz" wrote: > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 14:13:45 +0100, David Craven wrote: > > In most you can not. And I don't

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On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 14:13:45 +0100, David Craven wrote: > In most you can not. And I don't know of a way to tell if it is > possible without trying it. The card will either be soldered or be inserted into a slot much like a PCI card. It sometimes has its own area on the outside of the case;

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David Craven writes: Hi David, > But I wish to leave the guix project and that my savannah account be > removed. This is not a decision I make lightly. The reason why I > decided it was time to move on is because I do not wish to be part of > GNU or the FSF. Sad to see you leave. There was a

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> In some laptops, you can simply remove and replace the built-in wireless card. In most you can not. And I don't know of a way to tell if it is possible without trying it. What about laptops that don't have usb ports anymore? Are there any free USB-C wifi dongles yet? What about laptops that

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On 17-02-16 01:14:15, David Craven wrote: > Hello guixers! > > I am very grateful for all the things I could learn during my time > here and all the awesome work that you guys put in. > > But I wish to leave the guix project and that my savannah account be > removed. This is not a decision I

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Tomas Cech (2017-02-20 09:59 +0100) wrote: [...] > So, guys, where are your GIT repositories for GUIX_PACKAGE_PATH? There are several links here: https://gitlab.com/rain1/guix-wiki/wikis/Packaging -- Alex

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On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 14:25:51 +0100, John Darrington wrote: > 3. Undertake extra paid employment in some activity (not necessarily computer > related) > which benefits the community, and spend the mony you earn to purchase harware > on which > GuixSD runs better. To add: certain things (like

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On 17-02-20 14:25:51, John Darrington wrote: > On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 09:59:05AM +0100, Tomas Cech wrote: > > Running GuixSD on HW not fully supported by linux-libre is painful for > me as well. I remember my first time success with GuixSD - after some > coffee and sweating I

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On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 09:59:05AM +0100, Tomas Cech wrote: Running GuixSD on HW not fully supported by linux-libre is painful for me as well. I remember my first time success with GuixSD - after some coffee and sweating I managed to deploy and boot GuixSD on my notebook which

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On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 19:30:31 +0100, Alex Kost wrote: > > David Craven (2017-02-17 13:56 +0100) wrote: > > >> I think if you posit a free software project that works in the way you > >> describe ("on its own"), it would work very much like Guile works > >> right now. > > > > An operating system

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David Craven (2017-02-17 13:56 +0100) wrote: >> I think if you posit a free software project that works in the way you >> describe ("on its own"), it would work very much like Guile works >> right now. > > An operating system has to work on all hardware. Asking people to buy a > RYF approved

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> Accepting pre-built binaries as part of kernel sources I don't think this is true either, or has not been for a very long time (~7y?). If you look at the dates of the commits that added binary blobs (i.e. the firmware directory), those are many years old. It is an active effort to move the

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David Craven writes: >> vanilla Linux (which includes more than 150MB of binary blobs) > > Can you provide a reference? I can’t find it any more (I think I saw it in an interview, but I cannot find the article any more) and it looks like I was quite wrong about this number.

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> There are many pieces of hardware that are not RYF certified and > that work without firmware blobs. I thought I had already argued the fact that, the fact that it works without firmware blobs, does not mean that it is a more secure device, and in many cases it may be much worse from a privacy

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> unless they force or persuade other people to use non-free software as well I hope this isn't a reference to the raspberry pi firmware. If you are talking about this firmware [0], it boots Linux since the 3rd of Jan 2017. I do not follow the developments closely, but I hardly think that this is

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David Craven writes: >> I think if you posit a free software project that works in the way you >> describe ("on its own"), it would work very much like Guile works >> right now. > > An operating system has to work on all hardware. Asking people to buy a > RYF approved device to

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On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 01:56:04PM +0100, David Craven wrote: > I think if you posit a free software project that works in the way you > describe ("on its own"), it would work very much like Guile works > right now. An operating system has to work on all hardware. Asking

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Oh... I see... One must understand that while we mustn't recommend/install/share/sell/teach-usage-of non-free software for the users, they *can* do whatever they want. However, as I just said: If they want to make use of non-free software, they are on their own, and we should try to convince them

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> I think if you posit a free software project that works in the way you > describe ("on its own"), it would work very much like Guile works > right now. An operating system has to work on all hardware. Asking people to buy a RYF approved device to run guixsd is no different than apple requiring

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On Thu 16 Feb 2017 14:17, Andy Wingo writes: > Ludo and Richard don't pass their patches by some kind of FSF approval > board ;) I goofed on Ricardo's name. Apologies, Ricardo! Andy

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Hi, On Thu 16 Feb 2017 01:14, David Craven writes: > GNU or the FSF. FWIW as a GNU maintainer -- although I find the FSF's work to be interesting, and I understand that you do not, it has no relation to the work I do. I think if you posit a free software project that works in

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David Craven writes: > Hello guixers! > > I am very grateful for all the things I could learn during my time > here and all the awesome work that you guys put in. > Thanks for your contribution. Lurking the mailing list, I remember you have put a lot of effort into the kde

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Hi David, > I also believe that the gnu project has moved away from those core > values and focuses instead on petitioning websites and hardware > manufacturers to release work they have invested a lot of money in > developing, often in very pushy and uncivil ways. Even if they > succeed, I do not

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Hi David, > I am very grateful for all the things I could learn during my time > here and all the awesome work that you guys put in. …and we are grateful for your many contributions! It’s probably obvious that you and I disagree on some of the points you’ve made, but for the sake of onlookers

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David Craven (2017-02-16 01:14 +0100) wrote: > Hello guixers! Hello David, thank you very much for all the great work you did for Guix! > I am very grateful for all the things I could learn during my time > here and all the awesome work that you guys put in. > > But I wish to leave the guix

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On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 01:14:15AM +0100, David Craven wrote: > Hello guixers! > > I am very grateful for all the things I could learn during my time > here and all the awesome work that you guys put in. > > But I wish to leave the guix project and that my savannah account be > removed. This is

Leaving the guix project

Hello guixers! I am very grateful for all the things I could learn during my time here and all the awesome work that you guys put in. But I wish to leave the guix project and that my savannah account be removed. This is not a decision I make lightly. The reason why I decided it was time to move