Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-10-02 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hi Andy, Andy Tai skribis: > Regardless of one's opinion of emacs, I just want to add that this is > itself strange. I have contributed some (package definition) patches > to guix, all without using emacs. > > I am not an emacs user, so emacs is not necessary for contributing to guix. > For

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-10-02 Thread Munyoki Kilyungi
Janneke Nieuwenhuizen aliandika: [...] >> >> Thank you for your opinion but it's just that: a subjective judgement >> based on your own episodic experience. > > I'm sorry if my tone was too harsh, I now realise this is still > triggering old pain. > > Why is it still OK to for people to keep

Re: Emacs and Guix (was Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang)

2023-09-28 Thread Efraim Flashner
On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 10:34:11PM +0200, Simon Tournier wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 at 14:09, MSavoritias wrote: > > > when its the same people that push Emacs as the "blessed" way to > > contribute (as in the guix manual) > > Just to point 1. Guix is part of GNU – for the good, the

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-09-28 Thread Nathan Dehnel
Which packages are those? I' ve only seen scheme-lsp-server, which isn't merged yet On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 1:44 PM Christine Lemmer-Webber wrote: > > Nathan Dehnel writes: > > > > > > >> Hi, for some reason emacs has become the elephant in the room of the > >>

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-09-27 Thread Christine Lemmer-Webber
Nathan Dehnel writes: > > >> Hi, for some reason emacs has become the elephant in the room of the >> discussion on contributing to guix. >> >> Regardless of one's opinion of emacs, I just want to add that this is >> itself strange. I have contributed some

Re: The Giraffe; the Pelican et al (was Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang)

2023-09-26 Thread indieterminacy
On 25-09-2023 22:35, Simon Tournier wrote: Hi, On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 at 14:13, MSavoritias wrote: So saying that the people who don't know guile or guix need to first contribute docs is pretty ridiculous. Why? Could you explain more why it appears to you “ridiculous”? My frustration

Re: The Giraffe; the Pelican et al (was Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang)

2023-09-25 Thread Simon Tournier
Hi, On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 at 14:13, MSavoritias wrote: > So saying that the people who don't know guile or guix need to first > contribute docs is pretty ridiculous. Why? Could you explain more why it appears to you “ridiculous”? Cheers, simon

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-09-25 Thread Simon Tournier
Hi, On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 at 20:54, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: >> The default of Emacs absolutely do matter. [...] > I share neither the experience nor the argument. [...] Please, we are not on the emacs-devel mailing list. :-) Or maybe, we need to create some guix-tagents mailing list.

Emacs and Guix (was Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang)

2023-09-25 Thread Simon Tournier
Hi, On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 at 14:09, MSavoritias wrote: > when its the same people that push Emacs as the "blessed" way to > contribute (as in the guix manual) Just to point 1. Guix is part of GNU – for the good, the bad and the ugly – so 2. editors developed under the GNU umbrella are

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-09-25 Thread Liliana Marie Prikler
Am Montag, dem 25.09.2023 um 14:19 +0300 schrieb MSavoritias: > > On 9/24/23 11:51, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > > [...] > > It's fine if you prefer another editor, but don't count on us to > > write documentation for every editor out there [...] > > How about we start with two editors then

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-09-25 Thread MSavoritias
On 9/24/23 11:51, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: Am Sonntag, dem 24.09.2023 um 02:37 -0500 schrieb Nathan Dehnel: I'm sorry if my tone was too harsh, I now realise this is still triggering old pain. Why is it still OK to for people to keep spreading negative anecdotes about Emacs, and

Re: The Giraffe; the Pelican et al (was Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang)

2023-09-25 Thread MSavoritias
On 9/23/23 15:59, indieterminacy wrote: I would assume that people who dont use Emacs are entitled to document their experiences using their weapon(s) of choice within the Guix knowledge corpus. Sure, consider and discuss governance and workflows... but people complaining that Emacs users

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-09-25 Thread MSavoritias
On 9/23/23 13:00, Janneke Nieuwenhuizen wrote: paul writes: Dear Paul, On 9/23/23 09:37, Janneke Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Nathan Dehnel writes: I don't use emacs either (because it's so impenetrable) Emacs might be somewhat different from what you know, but this is utter bollocks. Thank

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-09-24 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Csepp writes: > Ricardo Wurmus writes: > >> Nathan Dehnel writes: >> >>> heard about guile-studio, but it doesn't appear to have a dark mode, >>> and I imagine trying to add one would require a bunch of emacs-style >>> screwing around with it. >> >> M-x modus-themes-toggle RET >> >> i.e.

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-09-24 Thread Csepp
Ricardo Wurmus writes: > Nathan Dehnel writes: > >> heard about guile-studio, but it doesn't appear to have a dark mode, >> and I imagine trying to add one would require a bunch of emacs-style >> screwing around with it. > > M-x modus-themes-toggle RET > > i.e. hold Alt, press x, then type

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-09-24 Thread Liliana Marie Prikler
Am Sonntag, dem 24.09.2023 um 02:37 -0500 schrieb Nathan Dehnel: > > I'm sorry if my tone was too harsh, I now realise this is still > > triggering old pain. > > > Why is it still OK to for people to keep spreading negative > > anecdotes about Emacs, and problematic to refute them or counter > >

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-09-24 Thread Nathan Dehnel
>I'm sorry if my tone was too harsh, I now realise this is still triggering old pain. >Why is it still OK to for people to keep spreading negative anecdotes about Emacs, and problematic to refute them or counter them with positive anecdotes? It was a mistake to say that. I felt the reflexive

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-09-24 Thread Nathan Dehnel
Oh, thank you, that's lovely. On Sat, Sep 23, 2023 at 4:59 AM Ricardo Wurmus wrote: > > > Nathan Dehnel writes: > > > heard about guile-studio, but it doesn't appear to have a dark mode, > > and I imagine trying to add one would require a bunch of emacs-style > > screwing around with it. > >

The Giraffe; the Pelican et al (was Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang)

2023-09-23 Thread indieterminacy
I would assume that people who dont use Emacs are entitled to document their experiences using their weapon(s) of choice within the Guix knowledge corpus. Sure, consider and discuss governance and workflows... but people complaining that Emacs users have documented their techniques to a

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-09-23 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Ricardo Wurmus writes: > Nathan Dehnel writes: > >> heard about guile-studio, but it doesn't appear to have a dark mode, >> and I imagine trying to add one would require a bunch of emacs-style >> screwing around with it. > > M-x modus-themes-toggle RET > > i.e. hold Alt, press x, then type

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-09-23 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Ricardo Wurmus writes: > Nathan Dehnel writes: > >> heard about guile-studio, but it doesn't appear to have a dark mode, >> and I imagine trying to add one would require a bunch of emacs-style >> screwing around with it. > > M-x modus-themes-toggle RET > > i.e. hold Alt, press x, then type

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-09-23 Thread Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
paul writes: Dear Paul, > On 9/23/23 09:37, Janneke Nieuwenhuizen wrote: >> Nathan Dehnel writes: >> >>> I don't use emacs either (because it's so impenetrable) >> Emacs might be somewhat different from what you know, but this is utter >> bollocks. > > Thank you for your opinion but it's just

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-09-23 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Nathan Dehnel writes: > heard about guile-studio, but it doesn't appear to have a dark mode, > and I imagine trying to add one would require a bunch of emacs-style > screwing around with it. M-x modus-themes-toggle RET i.e. hold Alt, press x, then type “modus-themes-toggle” and hit the

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-09-23 Thread paul
Dear Janneke, On 9/23/23 09:37, Janneke Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Nathan Dehnel writes: I don't use emacs either (because it's so impenetrable) Emacs might be somewhat different from what you know, but this is utter bollocks. Thank you for your opinion but it's just that: a subjective judgement

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-09-23 Thread Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
Nathan Dehnel writes: > I don't use emacs either (because it's so impenetrable) Emacs might be somewhat different from what you know, but this is utter bollocks. Switching to Emacs (from vi) took me three summers. I kept trying because I had seen how helpful it was, and well the statement that

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-09-22 Thread Nathan Dehnel
>Hi, for some reason emacs has become the elephant in the room of the discussion on contributing to guix. >Regardless of one's opinion of emacs, I just want to add that this is itself strange. I have contributed some (package definition) patches to guix, all

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-09-20 Thread Andy Tai
Hi, for some reason emacs has become the elephant in the room of the discussion on contributing to guix. Regardless of one's opinion of emacs, I just want to add that this is itself strange. I have contributed some (package definition) patches to guix, all without using emacs. I am not an emacs

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-09-20 Thread MSavoritias
On 9/20/23 17:03, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: MSavoritias writes: On 9/20/23 11:45, Nguyễn Gia Phong via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. wrote: On 2023-09-20 at 10:21+02:00, Csepp wrote: It's better if we have at least one *well documented* developer setup, than if we

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-09-20 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
MSavoritias writes: > On 9/20/23 11:45, Nguyễn Gia Phong via Development of GNU Guix and the > GNU System distribution. wrote: >> On 2023-09-20 at 10:21+02:00, Csepp wrote: >>> It's better if we have at least one *well documented* developer setup, >>> than if we have a bunch of (sometimes

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-09-20 Thread MSavoritias
On 9/20/23 11:45, Nguyễn Gia Phong via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. wrote: On 2023-09-20 at 10:21+02:00, Csepp wrote: It's better if we have at least one *well documented* developer setup, than if we have a bunch of (sometimes conflicting) partial docs for setting

Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang

2023-09-20 Thread Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
On 2023-09-20 at 10:21+02:00, Csepp wrote: > It's better if we have at least one *well documented* developer setup, > than if we have a bunch of (sometimes conflicting) partial docs > for setting up certain subsystems. > > Emacs can be pretty good, once you do (setq make-defaults-not-suck 1) > a