Re: RFC: Portability should be a higher priority for Guix (was Re: 01/01: build-system/meson: Really skip the 'fix-runpath' phase on armhf.)

2018-07-05 Thread Andreas Enge
Hello, On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 11:04:31AM +0200, Jonathan Brielmaier wrote: > I just want to bring POWER up as a freedom-respecting architecture. > Especially the TalosII from RaptorCS[0]. I know that guix does not work > on ppc64le yet, but I'm working for it :) They tend to be quite >

Re: RFC: Portability should be a higher priority for Guix (was Re: 01/01: build-system/meson: Really skip the 'fix-runpath' phase on armhf.)

2018-07-05 Thread Kei Kebreau
l...@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes: > Hello Kei, > > Kei Kebreau skribis: > >> I am interested in helping with non-x86_64 issues. Particularly, helping >> with i686-related changes should be just a change in workflow, but I'm >> interested in obtaining freedom-respecting non-x86 hardware (or

Re: RFC: Portability should be a higher priority for Guix (was Re: 01/01: build-system/meson: Really skip the 'fix-runpath' phase on armhf.)

2018-07-05 Thread Andreas Enge
Hello all, of course I can all but agree that support for "exotic" hardware is very desirable, especially since, as Mark pointed out, we would like it to become more mainstream! On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 08:38:19AM +0200, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: > One thing that would help, in my opinion, is to

Re: RFC: Portability should be a higher priority for Guix (was Re: 01/01: build-system/meson: Really skip the 'fix-runpath' phase on armhf.)

2018-07-05 Thread Jonathan Brielmaier
On 7/5/18 12:32 AM, Kei Kebreau wrote: >> I'm open to suggestions. Do you see any solution to the problem of how >> to attract more non-x86_64 users, given our current policies? >> >> Thanks, >>Mark > > I am interested in helping with non-x86_64 issues. Particularly, helping > with

Re: RFC: Portability should be a higher priority for Guix (was Re: 01/01: build-system/meson: Really skip the 'fix-runpath' phase on armhf.)

2018-07-05 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hi again Mark, Mark H Weaver skribis: > l...@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes: > >> Mark H Weaver skribis: >> >>> The end result is that the wishes of the x86_64-using majority are the >>> only ones that seem to matter in this community, and other users are >>> frequently left in a bad spot.

Re: RFC: Portability should be a higher priority for Guix (was Re: 01/01: build-system/meson: Really skip the 'fix-runpath' phase on armhf.)

2018-07-05 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Mark H Weaver skribis: > Another problem is that Guile 2.2's compiler has become so heavy that > it's nearly unbearable to use on slower hardware. Simply running "make" > in my Guix git checkout after updating on my mips-based Yeeloong is so > slow that I'm in the habit of letting it run

Re: RFC: Portability should be a higher priority for Guix (was Re: 01/01: build-system/meson: Really skip the 'fix-runpath' phase on armhf.)

2018-07-05 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hello, Ricardo Wurmus skribis: >> However, I do feel frustrated by the fact that it's considered >> acceptable in this community to leave non-x86_64 users with broken >> systems in the name of "moving things forward" for x86_64 users. > > I don’t think this is true. What is true is that most

Re: RFC: Portability should be a higher priority for Guix (was Re: 01/01: build-system/meson: Really skip the 'fix-runpath' phase on armhf.)

2018-07-05 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hello Kei, Kei Kebreau skribis: > I am interested in helping with non-x86_64 issues. Particularly, helping > with i686-related changes should be just a change in workflow, but I'm > interested in obtaining freedom-respecting non-x86 hardware (or at least > using a virtual machine as close as

Re: RFC: Portability should be a higher priority for Guix (was Re: 01/01: build-system/meson: Really skip the 'fix-runpath' phase on armhf.)

2018-07-05 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
Hi Mark, > However, I do feel frustrated by the fact that it's considered > acceptable in this community to leave non-x86_64 users with broken > systems in the name of "moving things forward" for x86_64 users. I don’t think this is true. > When I suggest that the community would not take

Re: RFC: Portability should be a higher priority for Guix (was Re: 01/01: build-system/meson: Really skip the 'fix-runpath' phase on armhf.)

2018-07-04 Thread Kei Kebreau
Mark H Weaver writes: > Hi Ludovic, > > l...@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes: > >> Mark H Weaver skribis: >> >>> The end result is that the wishes of the x86_64-using majority are the >>> only ones that seem to matter in this community, and other users are >>> frequently left in a bad spot.