Re: Blog post on the Full-Source Bootstrap
Simon Tournier writes: Hi Simon, > On mer., 26 avril 2023 at 16:12, Janneke Nieuwenhuizen > wrote: > >> >> https://gnu.org/software/guix/blog/2023/the-full-source-bootstrap-building-from-source-all-the-way-down/ > > Really cool! Yeah, thanks! > Maybe I misread the wording: > > If you run guix pull today, you get a package graph of more than > 22,000 nodes rooted in a 357-byte program > or > First, while the package graph is rooted in a 357-byte program, > > Well, without being the accountant, considering the “more than 22,000 > nodes”, the revision fa685c8 contains ~23,000 packages and more than > 1700 packages depends on GHC (Haskell) which is not bootstrapped from > this 357-byte program, AFAIK. Yeah, IWBN if someone would fix that and make the story more accurate ;-) > $ guix refresh -l ghc@9.2 | cut -f1 -d':' [..] > In addition, that’s similar for ~450 packages relying on OCaml. > > Bah, I am nitpicking. Am I? :-) Yeah, but most enjoyably so :-) Also, it's nice to know that someone checked we're not telling too big a lie. > What achievement this bootstrap story! Thanks to all the people > involved. Back on FOSDEM 2017, I remember “Mes -- Maxwell's Equations > of Software An attempt at dissolving bootstrap binaries” [1]. Thanks to > this talk, I had this kind of revelation: > > Yes, that was the big revelation to me when I was in graduate > school—when I finally understood that the half page of code on > the bottom of page 13 of the Lisp 1.5 manual was Lisp in > itself. These were “Maxwell’s Equations of Software!” > > – Alan Kay – > > Then, I got the point with Yogurt metaphor [2] on FOSDEM 2019. Anyway! Lovely. Thanks for you comments, most appreciated! Janneke -- Janneke Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond https://LilyPond.org Freelance IT https://www.JoyOfSource.com | Avatar® https://AvatarAcademy.com
Re: Blog post on the Full-Source Bootstrap
Hi Janneke, On mer., 26 avril 2023 at 16:12, Janneke Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > > https://gnu.org/software/guix/blog/2023/the-full-source-bootstrap-building-from-source-all-the-way-down/ Really cool! Maybe I misread the wording: If you run guix pull today, you get a package graph of more than 22,000 nodes rooted in a 357-byte program or First, while the package graph is rooted in a 357-byte program, Well, without being the accountant, considering the “more than 22,000 nodes”, the revision fa685c8 contains ~23,000 packages and more than 1700 packages depends on GHC (Haskell) which is not bootstrapped from this 357-byte program, AFAIK. --8<---cut here---start->8--- $ guix refresh -l ghc@9.2 | cut -f1 -d':' Building the following 569 packages would ensure 1712 dependent packages are rebuilt --8<---cut here---end--->8--- Because Pandoc, it appears in many non-Haskell packages, here an example about R and bioinformatics: --8<---cut here---start->8--- $ guix show r-catalyst | recsel -p synopsis synopsis: Cytometry data analysis tools $ guix graph --path r-catalyst ghc@9.2 -t bag-emerged r-catalyst@1.22.0 r-dplyr@1.1.1 r-pillar@1.9.0 r-utf8@1.2.3 r-rmarkdown@2.21 pandoc@2.19.2 ghc@9.2.5 --8<---cut here---end--->8--- In addition, that’s similar for ~450 packages relying on OCaml. Bah, I am nitpicking. Am I? :-) What achievement this bootstrap story! Thanks to all the people involved. Back on FOSDEM 2017, I remember “Mes -- Maxwell's Equations of Software An attempt at dissolving bootstrap binaries” [1]. Thanks to this talk, I had this kind of revelation: Yes, that was the big revelation to me when I was in graduate school—when I finally understood that the half page of code on the bottom of page 13 of the Lisp 1.5 manual was Lisp in itself. These were “Maxwell’s Equations of Software!” – Alan Kay – Then, I got the point with Yogurt metaphor [2] on FOSDEM 2019. Anyway! Thank you. Cheers, simon 1: https://archive.fosdem.org/2017/schedule/event/guixsdbootstrap/ 2: https://archive.fosdem.org/2019/schedule/speaker/jan_janneke_nieuwenhuizen/
Re: Blog post on the Full-Source Bootstrap
This looks good, I am interested in doing a port to the POWER ISA. Currently on my OrangeCrab I only have one small C program running, coldboot. Everything from the HDL to the BIOS should be Full-Source. https://git.libre-soc.org/?p=ls2.git;a=blob;f=coldboot/coldboot.c Tobias On Wed, 2023-04-26 at 16:12 +0200, Janneke Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > Hello Guix! > > Now that core-updates has been merged, the Full-Source Bootstrap has > come to Guix! This means we're building packages from source all the > way down. Read all about it in this new post: > > > https://gnu.org/software/guix/blog/2023/the-full-source-bootstrap-building-from-source-all-the-way-down/ > > Janneke & Ludo >
Blog post on the Full-Source Bootstrap
Hello Guix! Now that core-updates has been merged, the Full-Source Bootstrap has come to Guix! This means we're building packages from source all the way down. Read all about it in this new post: https://gnu.org/software/guix/blog/2023/the-full-source-bootstrap-building-from-source-all-the-way-down/ Janneke & Ludo -- Janneke Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond https://LilyPond.org Freelance IT https://www.JoyOfSource.com | Avatar® https://AvatarAcademy.com
